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Phat
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Message 421 of 474 (811648)
06-10-2017 7:31 AM
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06-10-2017 7:09 AM


Re: God Unplugged
jar writes:

Notice that even what you quoted really says absolutely nothing about human wisdom and is itself an example of human wisdom.

Do we know if the authors heard or perceived an audible presence out of the fire?

I highly doubt if they were referring to the fire itself.

And I realize that any attempt to describe God apart from human wisdom is impossible.

I do not believe, however, that the God the authors were describing was invented by them.

I believe that the God they were describing had been experienced and/or perceived by them.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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jar
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Message 422 of 474 (811654)
06-10-2017 8:07 AM
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06-10-2017 7:31 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

I do not believe, however, that the God the authors were describing was invented by them.

Why? Based on what other than your human wisdom?

Phat writes:

I believe that the God they were describing had been experienced and/or perceived by them.

Why? Based on what other than your human wisdom?


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Davidjay 
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Message 423 of 474 (811660)
06-10-2017 10:09 AM


Poor t'Title' to start with
Christianity was persecuted by religionists just as Jesus was persecuted and killed by religionists getting the ruler and military to do their dirty work.

Consequently any real discussion, would have to differentiate between Jesus doctrine and lifestyle and religion, compared to the false con job and marketing job of the damnable perverted church system. The same church system that persecuited Jesus, persecutes real Christians today.

There has to be a differentiation.

I have inside onformation on the dam vile church system and yet as a CHRISTian missionary can answer queries about Jesus and His lifestyle.

Otherwise this topic, without differentiation can and will be totally bogus and errant

IMHO

Marketing and churchianity can easily be discussed.

But you can NOT have a title that puts marketing in with Jesus. Jesus didn;t market his lifestyle or life, but let'em have it and blasted them when needed and necessary.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 424 of 474 (811661)
06-10-2017 10:10 AM
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06-10-2017 10:09 AM


Re: Poor t'Title' to start with
And to be fair in an evolution/creation discussion board, the marketing of evolution, or the forcing of evolution on the young and old, should also be talked about in an OPEN FORUM.

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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ringo
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Message 425 of 474 (811680)
06-10-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by Phat
06-10-2017 12:10 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

I maintain that worship (extreme veneration and respect) of nature itself will undo us.


What do you call "extreme"?

I see scientists saying, "I wonder how that works." And I see environmentalists saying, "Maybe we shouldn't make such a mess in our back yard." Is that what you call "extreme"?


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Phat
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Message 426 of 474 (811684)
06-10-2017 1:47 PM
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06-10-2017 12:03 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Neither of those is extreme. Extreme would be to deny global warming and instead accepting "alternative facts" which won't hold a candle to water.

Alternative explanations for science (on the creationism side) and alternative explanations for God (which one? rabbitt? Ganesha? Loki?) on the science side are both extreme.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 427 of 474 (811685)
06-10-2017 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by jar
06-10-2017 8:07 AM


Re: God Unplugged
As I said before, I realize that any attempt to describe God apart from human wisdom is impossible.

Take two rabbis studying scripture. One may have a confirmation bias---a deeply held belief based on personal experience--that G-D is always present and is the supreme architect of wisdom.

Another rabbi, more inclined to prefer logic, reason, and reality...may label G-d as unknowable and also declare all scripture to be essentially mythology.

To judge between the two viewpoints, one would, of course, use their human wisdom. We all have wisdom that we prefer to be true.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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jar
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Message 428 of 474 (811694)
06-10-2017 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by Phat
06-10-2017 1:55 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

Another rabbi, more inclined to prefer logic, reason, and reality...may label G-d as unknowable and also declare all scripture to be essentially mythology.

To judge between the two viewpoints, one would, of course, use their human wisdom. We all have wisdom that we prefer to be true.

No Phat, we all have things we prefer to be true. Wisdom though is being able to tell the difference between what can be shown to be true and what we only want to be true.


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Davidjay 
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Message 429 of 474 (811710)
06-10-2017 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by jar
06-10-2017 3:38 PM


Re: Evolution exposed
Yes deplorable insane atheistic evolutionists want things to be true and their religion of evolution to be true, so they make up falsehoods and lies and commune together and discuss their theories among themselves to console themselves that they are bright and getting brighter if they can just all agree and by majority forced iopinion dictate these things to all others, to pat themselves on the back.

But evolutionists dont have to market their religion anymore, it is the state run and adopted god of all things, as luck and chance has written off the obvious Creator, so that nopne can be so inclined especially the young.

Evolutionists is already marjeted with semantics and tricky wording and elaborate scientific terminolgy so that the undiscerning can be deceived by its supposed authemticity, but it is a total crock and deception of deception.

For the fool hath said in his heart that their is no God, and the basis of evolution denies God or a designer. But the compromising Christians need a place to console their quilt, for they know they are going against the Lord and His Word and against biological truths. And yet they know their bread is buttered by evolution, and it is from this evolutionary doctrine that they better stick and remain. Hence they must fight creationists and put them down and attack them.

This is their marketing plam and seeing they are in control of society and posuitions, it works pretty well, until faced with opposition or questions. For they can not answer questions.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 430 of 474 (811733)
06-11-2017 10:07 AM


Marketing of Churchianity to materialists
Lets further expand on the 'marketing aspect of churchianity, (not true Christianity) for the false church system is in a business that supports their elite called priests, pastors, elders etc.... They basically work one day a week, just preaching at their already converted congregations... and the rest of the week they are basically off and free to do nothing... as that is their ploy. They need a congregation to give donations for a sermon or sermons that ticckle the ears of those listening and a sermon that raises the self esteem of church members. They need an enemy so usually lash out at he sexually active or the poor, who they say refuse to work hard, like the so called hard working materialists that sit in the pew, and talk about their possessions during intermissions etc... or outside in the church parking lot, right after the so called service.

This even though service is suppose to be for the poor or for the Lord. But churchies pay the pastor to be their preacher and missionary, rather than doing anything the Lord told them to do.... This being more of their ploy and modus operandi.

They need to market their brand of churcianity as better and more profitable (Joel Osteem dementia) to the masses. They need to create a need and fulfill it via the media via their congregations advertisement and endorsements to their neighbors.... they have to market and show a nice clean self righteous face to the public, so as to market their damnable deplorable unChristian lies and half truths to their dumb and getting dumber congregations, so as to stay in power and stay in their pleasures and higher elevation above them.

Now you know.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

    
ringo
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Message 431 of 474 (811748)
06-11-2017 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Phat
06-10-2017 1:47 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

Extreme would be to deny global warming and instead accepting "alternative facts" which won't hold a candle to water.


That isn't what you said. You were talking about the worship of nature itself, as if that's what non-believers do. Global-warming denial is the opposite of that.

Phat writes:

Alternative explanations for science (on the creationism side) and alternative explanations for God (which one? rabbitt? Ganesha? Loki?) on the science side are both extreme.


What's extreme about alternate explanations for God?
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Phat
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Message 432 of 474 (812176)
06-15-2017 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 431 by ringo
06-11-2017 2:10 PM


Re: God Unplugged
What's extreme about alternate explanations for God?
The extremism is found in the eagerness to even bring up alternatives...often so readily...in an attempt to discredit the original.

Critics would say that they see no advantage to the original and see it as one of many alternatives.

I call BS on them. They know darn well what they are attempting to do.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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jar
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Message 433 of 474 (812179)
06-15-2017 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 432 by Phat
06-15-2017 9:50 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

The extremism is found in the eagerness to even bring up alternatives...often so readily...in an attempt to discredit the original.

Critics would say that they see no advantage to the original and see it as one of many alternatives.

The original???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Pray tell, who might that be?

Or do you mean the god you have created?


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ringo
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Message 434 of 474 (812202)
06-15-2017 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by Phat
06-15-2017 9:50 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

Critics would say that they see no advantage to the original and see it as one of many alternatives.

I call BS on them. They know darn well what they are attempting to do.


I call BS on you. You DO NOT know what I am attempting to do. Or maybe you do know and you're deliberately misrepresenting me.

I have told you that I wish there was a God. I am predisposed to believing in God. But the god you market is implausible and the means you use to market him are dishonest.

STOP telling me that I have ulterior motives.


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Phat
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Message 435 of 474 (812934)
06-21-2017 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 434 by ringo
06-15-2017 12:16 PM


Re: God Unplugged
I have told you that I wish there was a God. I am predisposed to believing in God. But the god you market is implausible
Why is He NOT plausible?

You wont "discover" Him.

He may well find you though.

What beef would you have with Him?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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