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ringo
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Message 466 of 474 (813220)
06-24-2017 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by Phat
06-24-2017 10:53 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

Also stay as far from religion as you can. They breed goats.


That's what I'm saying: Don't buy this nonsense that everlasting torment is your own fault.
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Message 467 of 474 (813223)
06-24-2017 12:42 PM
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06-24-2017 10:53 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

Also stay as far from religion as you can. They breed goats.

It is not religions that breed Goats but rather the Christian Cult of Ignorance.


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Phat
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Message 468 of 474 (814324)
07-06-2017 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by ringo
06-24-2017 12:26 PM


Re: God Unplugged
ringo writes:

Don't buy this nonsense that everlasting torment is your own fault.

I suppose you would blame God.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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ringo
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Message 469 of 474 (814348)
07-07-2017 11:40 AM
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07-06-2017 2:03 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

ringo writes:

Don't buy this nonsense that everlasting torment is your own fault.


I suppose you would blame God.

Be honest with yourself. If somebody left a loaded gun in a crowded playground and children got hurt, who would you blame?

You'd blame the one who caused the problem, wouldn't you? You'd scoff at the idea that the children "chose" to be harmed, wouldn't you?

So why would you give your "loving", omniscient God a free pass?


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Phat
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Message 470 of 474 (814349)
07-07-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Tangle
10-02-2016 4:42 AM


Re: repeating old material
Tangle writes:

You can be forgiven for believing in "a" god - at least until we know more about how our universe works - but you also believe in the ridiculous idea of religion.

Not totally. I rarely attend church lately.
Tangle writes:

You believe in an interventionist god that requires worship and condemns all other belief systems and their believers.

No. The God I believe in does not require worship. He desires relationship through prayer...largely for our benefit rather than His. No belief system is condemned, but He desires to draw all men unto Himself.
Tangle writes:

You believe in heaven and, I suppose, hell and all the daft human invented biblical trappings.

I focus on the present. I do not merely parrot belief like a sheeple.(Buzzsaws favorite word)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 471 of 474 (814350)
07-07-2017 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by ringo
07-07-2017 11:40 AM


Re: God Unplugged
I see no evidence of guilt. I see no connection with your metaphor. Hell, if hell exists was never created for fallen humanity nor innocent children. You gotta work to get there. Choose your works wisely.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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ringo
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Message 472 of 474 (814351)
07-07-2017 11:55 AM
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07-07-2017 11:49 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:

Hell, if hell exists was never created for fallen humanity nor innocent children. You gotta work to get there.


The "fall" itself is evidence of guilt. God doomed every subsequent generation of humans to atone for Adam and Eve's "sin".
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Tangle
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Message 473 of 474 (814353)
07-07-2017 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 470 by Phat
07-07-2017 11:47 AM


Re: repeating old material
Phat writes:

Not totally. I rarely attend church lately.

Totally. Your religion is Christianity, you pray to a Christian god.

The God I believe in does not require worship. He desires relationship through prayer...largely for our benefit rather than His. No belief system is condemned, but He desires to draw all men unto Himself.

This is the trouble arguing with you believers - you all believe something different even within the same belief. It's almost as if you're cherry picking what suits you.....

I focus on the present. I do not merely parrot belief like a sheeple

You're telling me that you don't believe in heaven and hell?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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NoNukes
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Message 474 of 474 (814382)
07-08-2017 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by ringo
07-07-2017 11:55 AM


Re: God Unplugged
God doomed every subsequent generation of humans to atone for Adam and Eve's "sin".

Humans and every other animal too if you let some people tell it.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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