Vaping?

Another question: if you're really really really excruciatingly honest with yourself about it, how good is that "buzz" anyway? Are you really getting a high off it, or is it possibly just an addiction based on the discomfort you experience when it's not in your system? I mean, is it possible the "high" isn't really much more than the relief of ending that discomfort? It's not a real high in other words, just a compulsion required by the effect of the previous puff of nicotine. A self-perpetuating cycle with no real pleasure in it. That's how I remember smoking now. The actual withdrawal from the drug turned out to be negligible when I'd finally reached the point of WANTING to give it up. Quitting an addiction to, say, heroin, must bring on real withdrawal, but nicotine? A bit of shakiness and even that is over surprisingly fast. The joy of freedom from that tyrannical senseless compulsion is immense and has been from the moment I quit -- the mere thought of a moment of shakiness had me so up in arms to squelch the thought it didn't even last a whole moment. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

For a lot of folks this is correct, no doubt. I guess that's why some people can detox, as it were, so easily. But for some of us there is, not so much a high like THC, but a mild buzz. There is, to be sure, symptom relief but there is also something more. A warm comfort, a brightness, that transcends mere symptom relief. Boosting my nicotine level doesn't just put me back on an even keel. Unless one is there it is very difficult to describe. There is, indeed, a real pleasure in it.I've been nicotine free before. No symptoms, no problems. Call it my addictive personality, but I missed that buzz and always went back to it.You are stronger than I am. I'm happy for you. Maybe someday I will walk that road again. Maybe not. Like the alcohol in my wine I do not want to stop the nicotine. In moderation there is no real danger to it. I want to stop the tobacco. To this point nothing else has worked toward that end.Up The Vape! (with a good Cabernet on the side)

OK I'll leave you alone. You like your addiction, OK. But I have to say I am the furthest thing from "strong" and I have to say so or you'll get the wrong idea. I went through misery for years trying to quit smoking, all the usual stuff, throwing out the cigarettes then having to dig them out of the trash or light a butt from the smelly ashtray, or go down to Seven-Eleven at midnight to get another pack. Strong, ha! I did quit once for two years and just about daily had to fight the urge to smoke. Had nothing to do with any pleasure I was getting out of it though I suppose I thought it must. In reality that wasn't the case, it was just a self-perpetuating compulsion.What I'm trying to get across about this EASY way it happened to me, which I think is similar to what the book I mentioned brings about, is that something just utterly changed my view of smoking to the point that I lost ALL desire for it. Even with the desire to quit, most of us also have an equally strong desire to keep smoking, so you have to use willpower, that's what makes it such a struggle.So what has to happen to make it easy is losing all desire for it altogether. No willpower needed if you aren't fighting anything, and once you really get how little smoking does for you and what an illusion it is that you are enjoying it or need it etc etc., there's nothing to fight, you just want this ugly monkey off your back, period. I think that's what Carr's book accomplishes. The facts that do that for one person may be somewhat different than for another, but one way or another they accomplish that amazing state of mind of WANTING TO STOP SMOKING WITH ALL YOUR BEING.Once you have that frame of mind, you just stop, no hassles, no struggles, no cravings, no misery, in my case hardly even a thought about smoking, just happiness, which increases every day as your state of health improves, your ability to taste food comes back, you no longer have to stand out in the cold to smoke etc. etc. etc. It isn't easy for anybody to quit who has to fight the other half of himself that craves a cigarette to bring it about.And there are some who just decide they don't want to stop. Vaping is apparently better for your health than smoking. So I'll leave you there.abe; HOWEVER: I ran across this on the downside of vaping for health.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, I saw this. As I have said before, vaping is not a healthy thing to do to the pristine human body. But as your article again confirms it is two orders of magnitude (100 times) better than tobacco.If someone smokes then vaping instead may help them quit. If you don't do either then don't start either.

There is no point in vaping if the person wants to quit. Read the book. I guess you just don't believe that it can be EASY, which is understandable given the typical experience of all of us of trying to quit, but that's the whole point, it IS EASY EASY EASY if you approach it right. If you'd rather vape then vape, but if you want to quit, do it the easy way. Vaping isn't the easy way.abe: I know, I keep saying I'm stopping now and then I don't. Like I say I'm leaving EvC and think I'm going to since staying at that point is an odious idea, but then I don't. So I said I'd leave you alone about this. Now I'm going to sleep so maybe that will do it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You're a blonde aren't you.I do not want to quit my drugs.I do not want to quit the alcohol in my wine. I do not want to quit the nicotine in my vape.I do not have to eat the glass to get to my alcohol. And now, I do not have to smoke the tobacco to get to my nicotine.The dangers of each are minimal, which at my age means they are non-existent.No. I do not want to quit. Not wine. Not vape. God, I hope so. Goodnight, M'Love.

I think you must be the blonde. I wasn't talking about YOU quitting, you'd made it quite clear you aren't interested in quitting. I was responding to this: Perhaps too much vape in the brain?

I spent a few years trying the patches and gum n'stuff, but they never scratched the itch.Once I got dialed in on my new rig and that itch was being scratched, then there was instantly no longer any use for the cigs.The cigs will still give me the "buzz", but the way I have my rig set up I like it better than cigs. Yeah, I left my ENDS (Electronic Nicotine Delivery System) in the car one day and had to have a cigarette from a friend. It got the job done it just didn't taste as good and stunk.

As good as the buzz from caffeine.So its not as good as illegal drugs, but its a good drug nonetheless. Yes, absolutely. Without a doubt.Wake n Vape is the best... Not really. The relief just adds to the element of the high.So, let's say completely and utterly sober your "high level" is at a default zero.Now, nicotine may only take you to a 5.And the withdrawal may take you to a -10.So when you smoke you're feeling a "high increase" of +15, but that's only getting you to a true +5.I'm willing to put up with the -10 to get the +15 feeling, but I won't kid myself into believing that true +5 above zero simply doesn't exist.

I have a neighbor I'd like to talk into it since his smoke comes into my apartment, but I think he might not be able to afford it if it's a big one-time expense. I don't see how anyone can afford cigarettes myself.

To me they seem like miniature fog machines.I was at the bar the other day and this guy was hitting his button and enormous plumes vapor emanated from his device. He took a hit and let forth a fog of sweet vanilla smelling vapor.It doesn't bother me. I'd rather people vape in my presence than smoke. And when at the bar I tend to believe it is one of the last bastions of vice and bad behavior.

Vice and bad behaviour are easy today. Just let somebody see you coming out of McDonalds and it might as well be an opium den.

I looked up the relative costs of vaping and smoking and, as I knew, vaping is a LOT cheaper as well as better in the other ways we've talked about.But it is a big one-time expense by some people's standards, such as my neighbor I'd like to talk into it -- around $100, and twice that if you get the best set-up -- according to THIS GUY.His daughter wants him to do it so maybe if I run into her I'll offer to chip in for the basic equipment and hope some others might join us. (I'd recommend the Easy Way book of course but I know he won't read anything, and although he's a nice guy who did stop smoking for a few days once when he found out how much it bothers me, it was the usual painful struggle for him. I know he's addicted and allergic to any idea of quitting altogether -- nobody believes there is an EASY way of course, until they've actually done it, so I couldn't expect the suggestion to do anything but drive him into working harder to hide his habit. Fortunately he's a couple doors down and his smoke doesn't affect me as much as the one right next door, where mercifully a nonsmoker lives right now).Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thats funny.But it thats true we have a serious dragon chasing epidemic on our hands here abouts. I guess what I meant was if seated at the bar one should be prepared to see people drinking, cussing, blathering about.
Its not cool to complain that people are drinking, cussing and blathering about whist seated at the bar, it is pretty much par for the course in Texas.
If quite and polite is what one seeks, I'd suggest a brunch and mimosas somewhere not at the bar. Edited by 1.61803, : changed you for one.Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.

Talk about a tube about five fingers long
Not too fat and not too strong
You get high, but not for long
If you'se a vaperNow I'm the king of everything
Got to get high for me to sing
Start up that fog and we will see
If you'se a vaper