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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined:
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quote: It seems to say that In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Then it proceeds to explain how. One of the things that happened was He made Adam. From the chronologies, we can deduce about how long ago that was.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
From the rest of the bible we know a few things that quantify this. One example is that this universe or heavens, stars, etc,, will pass away suddenly. Fold up like a scroll.
So whatever the stars are, they will all cease to exist one day. We also know that stars were put there to be for signs and time for man on earth. From earth, we will also see them all disappear. So one cannot suggest that the stars were already here before the world in any meaningful way.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
icant writes: Since you say the Bible says the heavens and the earth will fold up like a scroll, could you please supply book, chapter, and verse where I can find that? I can't find where the Bible says it will pass away suddenly, nor fold up like a scroll,. " 14. departed--Greek, "was separated from" its place; "was made to depart." Not as ALFORD, "parted asunder"; for, on the contrary, it was rolled together as a scroll which had been open is rolled up and laid aside. There is no "asunder one from another" here in the Greek, as in Ac 15:39, which ALFORD copies. " Welcome to the Future - StudyLight.org Rev 6:14 -And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
I can find where it will melt with fervent heat: I do not see the sun in there anywhere. You seem to be trying to adjust it to what you think science demands. I do see that the sun will go out...dark in the very end. Cities will need to use candles. Well, since every tower on earth will shake to the ground, maybe using the word city is a stretch, but you get the drift.
quote:2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Some scientist believe the universe has melted many times in the past and had a new beginning to exist out of the melted blob of energy. They would use different words to express what I said, which is OK. Beliefs. They might as well say they believe a turtle had a bowel movement and out popped the universe.
Yes they will melt as they are part of the heavens. You mentioned you thought the sun did the melting. That won't work for the stars!Where are you going to be standing when they melt? The heat thing probably refers to the earth area anyhow. We do see God sends fire from heaven to melt the surface of the earth and cleanse it after the 1000 years reign. Probably that is when Peter is talking about...not constellations 'melting'!
The stars and everything in the heavens was created on day one which is found in Genesis 1:1-5. Actually stars are not even mentioned till several verses later. You infer that because you want to get billions of years in by verse one for no apparent reason.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
If the Sun "goes out" there will be nothing left alive to light the candles. Yet there will be. That tells me science doesn't really know how the sun works...or will work.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
tangle writes: ... It is elementary that if the bible is true, that the sun does or will not work the way science has conceived. The test will come. Better have some candles ready I guess. The stars, when they fall, and go out will be at the same time, so we can't blame the sun.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
tangle writes: ... ?=u
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
ringo writes: No we don't.
The Bible is not true. We know that.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
ringo writes: Well Genesis does say the stars were put in something.
Did the Hebrews even have a concept of "space"?
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
[qs=jar]Well all honest people know that the Bible stories themselves are evidence that they are not true.[qs] Absurdly false.
There are two mutually exclusive creation myths; the God character in each is different, the order is different, the method of creation is different and both are overwhelmingly refuted by reality. Old wives tale. By Gen 2 it was over and done. Finished. What it covers was no order.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Modulus..
quote: On earth, yes. In the area around the earth and sun..yes. Can you show there was time as we know it out where stars are?
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote: That is one definition of time. I don't think we could define eternity. Part of your time definition includes eternity. I think man also uses the decay of atoms to measure time, and other things, not just the rotation of earth.....
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote: How about existence where the duration does not involve the same amount of time? If you existed near a star, how would we know what sort of time you would experience there? Our concept of unending may not really encompass what eternity is. For example we imagine an arrow of time moving in a certain way in a certain direction. What if time was something else? I see time more as a feature of this temporary present world.
quote: Interesting. But I am not sure that radioactive decay really has much to do with the earth moving round the sun. If people need to adjust clocks that is something that has to do with people. Nt decay, and not really the orbits of planets. Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Being indefinite to poor little man does not mean something is indefinite.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
You cannot say duration (the way time exists and is woven with space) is the same everywhere in the universe, sorry. Prove it.
As for your claim there is no time..ha. I don't think you know what time is, and cannot wave it away as being merely a construct of the mind of man. How long does it take for a squirrel to cross a road or a bird to migrate? Time is not a figment or creation of our mind it is real.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Speak for yourself when you say 'we' define....not everyone accepts your religious definition attempts.
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