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Davidjay 
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Message 271 of 389 (811673)
06-10-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Taq
06-09-2017 4:16 PM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
My evidence has been posted and duly denied by non scientists called evolutionists, as they hate opposition and so only allow me HERE.

I always answer evolutionists, which also greatly infuriates them.... and all they have are other peoples questions and excuses, and the corresponding hyperlink of what other people think up in their disconnected brains and hearts.

But because I have a few questions for evolutionists to answer, knowing they refuse to answer anything...

I can again claim victory over lack of intelligence and their lack of design..... and lack of knowledge, logic, reason, and lack of science.

SEE

http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v6i10f.htm


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 272 of 389 (811675)
06-10-2017 11:47 AM
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06-10-2017 11:43 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Davidjay writes:

I always answer evolutionists


You now have more than SIXTY TOPICs in which you have not answered posts.
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Davidjay 
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Message 273 of 389 (811678)
06-10-2017 11:57 AM
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06-10-2017 11:47 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
I always answer sincere questions and even your insincere questions......

And please quote more than a few words or a segment from my sentences. Usually the common honest practise and rule is... quote at least a paragraph, so you dont mis-represent me or my summation of words.

Now back to Creation.... and how the Lord created it.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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ringo
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Message 274 of 389 (811682)
06-10-2017 12:06 PM
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06-10-2017 11:57 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Davidjay writes:

I always answer sincere questions and even your insincere questions......


Then go answer the sixty topics that you haven't answered.
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Davidjay 
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Message 275 of 389 (811717)
06-11-2017 12:10 AM
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06-10-2017 12:06 PM


Re:
No.. I have already anwered your insincere questions and your excuses.

Besides you dont want answers you just want to harass, and harass and stop discussions. You cant write more than one sentence and cant even copy a whole passage of mine honestly.

Your ******* is not right and your ***** is trashed. You have no ******* and in***********.

And yet are smug in your protected cocoon from being reprimanded for your harassments. You do not add to a discussion, and only take a few seconds to ponder and ask an insincere question.

You are alloowed in the Bible forum, whereas I am not allowed in the Science Forum. **** is the ****** in that .


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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ringo
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Message 276 of 389 (811746)
06-11-2017 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Davidjay
06-11-2017 12:10 AM


Re:
Davidjay writes:

No.. I have already anwered your insincere questions and your excuses.


No you have not. You have sixty topics in which you have not answered.
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Tom Larkin
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Message 277 of 389 (814671)
07-11-2017 6:26 PM
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04-22-2016 3:13 AM


Alignment Evolution and Genesis
I have presented a biblical argument for evolution and Genesis being compatible (Genesis and Evolution (Larkin)) as I believe the accounts in Genesis 1 and 2 are sequential. Throughout the book of Genesis, the "generations" of the line not leading to Jesus are always given first (Cain before Seth, the generations of Japheth and of Ham are given before the generations of Shem, and so on.

I believe that the creation described in Chapter 1 is consistent with this approach, describes the line not leading to Jesus (and the "daughters of men" in Chapter 6), and the creation describe from Chapter 2 on describes the generations leading to Christ (the "sons of God" in Chapter 6, consistent with the rest of Genesis (more detail in the book).

Therefore, men and women created in Chapter 1 came before the direct creation of Adam and Eve in Chapter 2, which eliminates the conflict with evolution and aligns with the rest of Genesis.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Blank lines between paragraphs.


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Message 278 of 389 (814675)
07-11-2017 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Tom Larkin
07-11-2017 6:26 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
Too funny. So called Biblical Christians seem to be able to make up all kinds of ways to get around the FACT that the Bible is filled with factual errors, contradictions, fantasy and just plain silly stuff.

But the fact remains that the two creation myths are still factually wrong, period.

It really is that simple.


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Message 279 of 389 (814677)
07-11-2017 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Tom Larkin
07-11-2017 6:26 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
which eliminates the conflict with evolution

How so?


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Faith
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Message 280 of 389 (814688)
07-11-2017 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Tom Larkin
07-11-2017 6:26 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
How do you account for the Biblical view that death entered the world by one man, Adam?

Romans 5:12:

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

  • If there were human beings before Adam and Eve, they couldn't have died until Adam sinned.
  • If there were women before Eve how could she have been called "the mother of all living?"
  • Are you one of those who argue that animals died but not humans? But doesn't scripture say animals can't sin? So how could they die except through the sin of human beings as scripture says?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 281 of 389 (814690)
07-11-2017 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Faith
07-11-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
Too funny Faith.

No where does that passage mention Adam and nowhere in the Genesis 2 & 3 fable is it even hinted that Death was because of Adam or really anyone but the God character.

Why do so called "Biblical Christians" always make shit up and add it to the Bible?


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Message 282 of 389 (814694)
07-11-2017 9:24 PM
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07-11-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
dup

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 283 of 389 (814695)
07-11-2017 9:28 PM
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07-11-2017 9:10 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
Romans 5:14-21
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


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jar
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Message 284 of 389 (814698)
07-11-2017 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Faith
07-11-2017 9:28 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
Learn to read. From Adam to Moses.

And of course, the author of Romans is simply wrong and misrepresenting what is actually written in the Genesis 2 & 3 myth. And I said, Christians have been making shit up to explain the contradictions found in the Bible stories for almost 2000 years.

An honest reading of the Genesis 2 & 3 myth shows death certainly existed even before Adam was created.

Paul, if Paul actually wrote Romans, was simply wrong or making shit up.


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Message 285 of 389 (814708)
07-12-2017 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Tom Larkin
07-11-2017 6:26 PM


Re: Alignment Evolution and Genesis
Congratulations for trying to do apologetics right. As I was taught (Creationist and Fundamentalist Apologetics, Creation/Evolution Journal, Vol.4, No.4, Fall 1984, pp 1931), properly applied apologetics is an attempt to harmonize doctrine with the real world:
quote:
The Apologetical Task

Francis A. Schaeffer, surely one of the most prolific and influential writers on, the contemporary fundamentalist scene, explains the nature and purpose of apologetics:

quote:
"There are two purposes of Christian apologetics. The first is defense. The second is to communicate Christianity in a way that any given generation can understand. . . . It is unreasonable to expect people of the next generation in any age to continue [to believe] in the historic Christian position, unless they are helped to see where arguments . . . brought against Christianity . . . by their generation are fallacious." (The God Who Is There, p. 139)
In other words, the apologist for the faith must seek to soothe the doubts plaguing the faithful and to remove the roadblocks in the path of unbelievers who might otherwise come to faith. The apologist tries to defend the faith by showing that it is reasonable; one need not kiss one's mind goodbye in order to convert.

Unfortunately, what we commonly see as "apologetics" is the creationist approach of denying the contradictory evidence. Denying that that evidence does not exist is not the way to harmonization. Rather, the evidence must be recognized and properly addressed. I see you trying to do that.

At the same time, ... .

Does the science have to be harmonized to your own particular fallible human interpretations of Scripture? Or does your own particular fallible human interpretation of Scripture need to be harmonized to the real world?

Is your own fallible human misunderstanding of Scripture the Touchstone? Or could you possibly be wrong such that your own misunderstanding has to be harmonized with reality?


BTW, if you want to know how to do all those things in your messages, it's through dBCodes, though this forum also accepts HTML -- if you Peek on this message, you will see that I used the HTML HR tag to create that dividing line that only went across 80% of the window and was centered. In the lower right-hand corner of each post is a Peek button. If you click on it, a new page will open up displaying the message with all the embedded codes revealed. You see something you'd like to do yourself, just click on the Peek button and it shall be revealed unto you.

There's also on this forum a kind of tutorial/reference page of dBCodes, but I copied it to a text file long ago so I've forgotten how to find it again. Still, there are some codes like qs for a boxed quote or quote for what I did, that you will end up using all the time.

And as you're trying to do your fancy formatting, you can use the Preview button below to see whether it even worked. It's a good idea to use the preview button until you are satisfied with your message before you hit the Submit Reply button. Of course, you can always go back to edit your own messages, but that can start to get messy; also, you should always state the reason for the edit as a common courtesy -- ABE means "Added By Edit", not Scotland's standard choice of the world soccer championship winner, "Anybody But England!" (one or two World Championships ago, "ABE" was a very popular t-shirt in Scotland.


Touchstone.

Here is the Wikipedia article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchstone_(assaying_tool)

Basically, it's a stone that if you rub a soft metal against it it will leave a mark. And the color of that mark will tell you how pure that soft metal is.

Of course, the soft metal in question is gold, so this was an assaying method going back into antiquity.


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