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Tanypteryx Member  Posts: 1659 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
How do you know there were 4 quarks at T=0? What kind of quarks? Can you describe all the properties of the quarks?
Why do these 4 quarks leave the pinpoint? What the heck is a direction like a plus sign? Why are they going at the speed of light? How did you measure 10 minutes?
Wait, I thought there were only 4 quarks. Where did you get a trillion trillion trillion trillions of quarks? Why are they all heading in a different direction than the 4 quarks? What does any of this have to do with the picture?
How many directions are there? Can 2 quarks travel in the same direction?
Maybe time is a feature of the Universe and mankind discovered that it can be used to measure the duration of events, just like we discovered that the speed of light can be used, with time, to measure distance in the 3 spacial dimensions. I know it scares you, but we have to use math. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ICANT Member  Posts: 5784 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Your atoms existed before you were born, Yes. The atoms that compose you may or may not exist eternally into the future. But the question why is there something rather than nothing, has been pondered for a long time. Non-existence, absolutely nothing, and nothing represent the same thing. Nothing is a compound word of 'No Thing". The meaning of which is exactly that. It would cover everything you can think of that exists today not existing.. It is no problem to deal with except we will not accept the possibility of 'No Thing'.
The problem is you can't accept that there is 'No Thing" outside of the universe for it to expand into. I am not the one who believes everything is contained in the universe in which we live. I believe that there is a infinite third heaven (universe if you prefer) in which God created our heavens and earth. So our universe could expand as much as God wanted it to expand.
My extent in math was calculus 60 years ago. I know that numbers do not lie. But I also know that man can make numbers say what he wants them to say. Einstein's biggest blunder proves that numbers will say what you want them to.. All the physics I have studied has been in the last 10 years. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member  Posts: 5569 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
You're at liberty to believe anything at all. But what you believe about your magical being is not relevant to science's current state of knowledge of the universe.
So your maths is about the level of a 16 year old and you have no formal education at all in physics, yet you think you can challenge the greatest thinkers in their field - Nobel Prize size accademics. You believers have an ego the size of a planet. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ICANT Member Posts: 5784 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Then why did you say in Message 626 quote:
Time can be rewound. Time is a concept invented by mankind to to measure duration between events in eternity. Time is not a dimension. You can measure length, height, and width which are dimensions. How do you measure time if it is a dimension? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 5784 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
I used 4 for just an illustration for direction only. So you could understand that the quarks were going in different direction not as in the picture. Then I added all the other quarks going in different directions. Since space between objects in the universe is what is supposed to have been expanding That would mean that space would have been expanding between every quark and noting would have ever existed in the universe. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 5784 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
You mean to tell me there are no scientist that are proposing multiverses? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 5569 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
God bless and goodbye. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 1659 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Can you give an example of time being rewound? Time is a feature of the Universe "discovered by humans." We ""invented" a way to measure the duration between events. I have no idea why you added "in eternity."
We measure all 4 of these things with artificial scales that we invented, i.e. millimeters, meters, kilometers, days, hours, minutes, seconds. So, are length, height, and width always the same directions or does it depend on their orientation relative to the observer? Is a direction in between say, length and height another dimension. Why is it important to you that time not be a dimension? What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Modulous Member  Posts: 7658 From: Manchester, UK Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Like Genesis. Only Genesis is not based on physics that predicts the paths of planets, satellites and light.
Assumptions which, if true, predict the existence of things we've seen, phenomena we have observed, anomalies we could not otherwise explain.
Time is a dimension. Like all dimensions it measures a distance between two events.
With a clock.
No. Time is time. In the early universe the geometry of time is, according to Hawking's notion, describable using complex mathematics - ie., imaginary numbers. This notion essentially resolves the singularity problem by 'smoothing' it out. It's an interesting solution, but it isn't considered Truth. It predicts things we see, and other things we have not seen. We may observe those other predictions one day which would strengthen the idea.
Quite the opposite, it kind of makes the idea of a beginning to exist more incoherent. As you go further 'back' in time, time itself becomes increasingly space-like. That is, it takes on the properties closer to space than time - thus the notion of a beginning becomes less clear.
It's a diagram. 'Forwards' is time. Up and down (and depending on the diagram in and out) represent the three spatial dimensions. Thus as you proceed forwards in time, the diagram shows space expanding in all directions.
You can make a diagram which shows the different rates of expansion of the sphere over time, using only a sphere, if you'd like. But I'd wager it'd be more difficult to understand. I can't even imagine how you'd do it. A sphere on its own would, at best, describe the universe at a single point in time. If you like, think of the diagram as a graph with time along the x-axis and the diameter of the sphere on the y-axis.
That's not what science teaches. It does not teach the universe did not exist. That may be true, but in any given theory where it is, there is something other than the universe that gives rise to the universe.
You just said it. Biological matter of deceased animals explains the oil.
It's early conditions and its conditions today are the basis we have and upon which scientists are intelligently exploring avenues for the universe's earliest moments - and before that if such a thing exists.
Unless braneworld is in some fashion, eternal.
If it just is, it didn't come from - it just is.
Or it didn't begin to exist. It just exists.
No. They are all travelling through time and space.
just as mankind invented length to measure distance between points?
It could be different shapes - but a sphere is a reasonable one. Your objections are akin to someone looking at map of the world and arguing it isn't a sphere and thus trying to say that cartogrophers think it is impossible to pass down from Britain and come up in Australia. It's a two dimensional projection of a sphere.
It is one dimension. So there is only two possible directions. Just like when considering length. It doesn't have to advance in both directions.
His alternative is just multiple big bang expansion events with the one we talk about today being the most recent. It's not a well-respected idea regardless of people's opinions of Penrose.
That's a great question! Generally speaking physicists tend to answer by pointing to the necessary directionality of thermodynamics and entropy. But a full discussion is beyond the scope of this, apparently a 'bible' topic.
Yes. It isn't expanding into anything.
No, that doesn't follow from anything we know.
I, for one, practically insist upon it!
Naturally you do. There's less basis for that belief than cosmology of course. Just an anonymous author from over two millennia ago.
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ringo Member  Posts: 14499 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 1.3
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I said, or tried to say, that what you were seeing as a direction is in fact a dimension, the fourth dimension, time. Granted, it is difficult to portray and/or visualize four dimensions in a two-dimensional drawing, which is why people are trying to explain it to you. But it seems that you're not only misunderstanding the drawing; you're trying to deny the science behind it.
Ever hear of a clock? Ever see a clock go backwards? An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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