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GDR
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Message 841 of 919 (833742)
05-26-2018 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 836 by Modulous
05-25-2018 11:31 PM


Re: Meaning of life
Modulous writes:

I guess however, it's the best shot you - or indeed anyone - can give for the idea. So I commend you for putting them out there.


Thanks for that and I agree that it is not a conclusive argument but I do contend that collectively they make a compelling case. In the end it is about faith, and ultimately, (there's that word again ) I am prepared to base my life on those beliefs. If I am wrong then so be it, but interestingly enough I find that the more I succeed, as minimal as that success is, the more content I am with my life. I'll make that the last bit of non-conclusive evidence that I have for a god that desires that we find joy in living lives built on loving others sacrificially.

Edited by GDR, : typo


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 842 of 919 (833743)
05-26-2018 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 797 by Modulous
05-24-2018 3:13 PM


Re: complexities don't always translate into analogies
Hi Mod,

Mod writes:

This period was between a millionth of a second and several minutes in.

What is the available evidence that took place when there was nothing but a hot mass of Plasma.

Mod writes:

The inflationary period was rapid expansion, but there was just a pretty uniform sea of energy at this point

But a sea of energy? Then why did you say in answer to a question say that fundamental particles already existed. Since I had misspelled particles you got it mixed up.

Mod writes:

1 second to several minutes is about halfway into that diagram - as you can see the expansion is much slower here than at the left most area representing time before 10-32 seconds. In that very early state - there were no raisins.

yea the earth did not exist so there was no place for grape vines to grow. Thus no grapes to dry and make raisins. But I was using the raisins to represent the smallest whatever was there.

Beautiful drawing too bad the white circle is the only part that represents what was happening.

The part that says Inflation should be a circle around the white big bang circle. The part that says protons formed should be a circle around the Inflation circle. The part that says Nuclear fusion begins should be a circle around the protons formed circle. The part that says nuclear fusion ends should be a circle around the nuclear fusion begins circle. The part that says cosmic microwave background should be a circle around the nuclear fusion ends circle . This circle would represent 380,000 years. No atoms has formed at this time.

I would like to see the empirically derived evidence to support any of the claims prior to the 380,000 years after big bang.

Mod writes:

Naturally it may or not be true - but it's not an assumption, its an empirically derived fact. It is much closer to reality than your raisin notion.

This declaration is in response to the following statement that you had made.

quote:
2) The density of particles and the energy involved show nucleus formation is almost certain to happen. The probability that it would not happen is so low that it can be discounted.

But all information I can find says nucleus formed after the 380,000 year mark. Where the visible universe begins.

Mod writes:

Exactly. There are no raisins, or particles at this time. It goes on to say:

Yes, no raisins as there was no earth with grape vines to grow grapes to dry making raisins.

Mod writes:

quote:
According to NASA, after inflation the growth of the universe continued, but at a slower rate. As space expanded, the universe cooled and matter formed. One second after the Big Bang, the universe was filled with neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos.

What mechanism caused the inflation/expansion to slow down.
Sir Roger Penrose says cosmic inflation is a fantasy. https://www.sciencefriday.com/...cosmic-inflation-is-fantasy

Where is any empirical evidence to support NASA'S assertion about neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos?

Mod writes:

See that? A slower rate.

Yes I think Hubble discovered that back in the 1920's. But what slowed it down and when did it slow down?

I know what NASA claims. But my claim God did it has just as much empirical evidence.

Mod writes:

Not sub-atomic particles. There were none at that time. You have to look at the time there were some.

But NASA had neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos already existing. Which if they existed the space between them would expand over 900 feet every 1 millionth of a second.

Mod writes:

Yes, we know. But that has nothing to do with whether atoms could form during the period after this. In order to understand this - we have to understand what the density of 'raisins' was at this time, what the energies involved were and the rate of expansion etc.

But I think it would affect whether atoms could form.

Atoms are formed from the sub-atomic particles I was talking about the space expanding between that you said did not exist yet. Atoms are formed by positive charged protons, no charge neutrons, and negatively charged electrons. The protons and neutrons form the nucleus.

These have to get together to form a atom. If there is 900 feet between each of them, what mechanism would get them together to be able to form an atom?

All the expansion required to put 900 feet between them would only take 1 millionth of a second.

ModIf you want to use the raisin analogy, think of it like this. At first there are no individual raisins. Just a uniform raisinesque goop. It rapidly expands and then slows down its expansion. Then individual raisins start to break away from the goop. They are still very densely packed. The space between them is not expanding faster than they are able to move.

But the raisins don't move anywhere. The space expands between them. What would cause the expansion to slow down?

Mod writes:

A phase transition of dark energy.

How would dark energy if it exists slow down expansion?
No body knows anything about dark energy, or if it even exists.

Mod writes:

That's the universe as you imagine it - but that's not what the evidence actually tells us. It might be true, but it seems increasingly likely that it is not.

How would you get any other configuration?

Maybe you need to explain how expansion works.
Does it expand in every direction equally?
If not what causes it to do anything else?

Mod writes:

Well, if you want to criticize the model, you have to use the model. Not your model. The model cosmologists use very strongly points towards the notion that there is no edge.

I thought the universe had a fabric around it?
What does having no edge have to do with the shape of the universe.

The earth does not have an edge, neither does our sun or moon

There are 3 pictures and one of them is supposed to be the shape of the universe.
One is a rectangular sheet which would have 4 edges.
One is a rectangular sheet which is curved like a saddle and has 4 edges.
The other is a sphere which has no edges.

The one I talk about is the sphere which has no edges.
I have never figured out how we could get inside either of the other two. As there is no depth to them like a sheet of paper.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 843 of 919 (833744)
05-26-2018 3:58 AM
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05-26-2018 1:02 AM


Re: Difference in 2D &3D objects
Hi NoNukes

NoNukes writes:

The program estimates the cost and gives numbers to the precision of one penny (or less). No program can give a cost that is actually accurate to the nearest penny for a project of anything other than the simplest complexity.

The cost of all materials were always updated before asking the program for a cost analysis.

The only thing that would change the cost would be changes to the plan or some idiot sawing up a bunch of material wrong. But since everything was done on a contract basis if they did it was there responsibility for the added cost.

But I do understand that if you input the wrong information into a program you will get bad results from the program. But that is not the programs fault.

So no it did not give me estimates.

When I got tired of fighting the government I started building cabinets I set the program up to the point it would tell me exactly how many pieces of wood I needed and the size of each one to build the set of cabinets being priced out.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 844 of 919 (833745)
05-26-2018 4:07 AM


Personal Attacks
NN,to Faith writes:

You are a complete idiot. Why the heck anyone here pretend that you are the least bit intelligent is beyond belief.

You are getting carried away with personal attacks. Please think before you type.


  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    Modulous
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    Message 845 of 919 (833756)
    05-26-2018 9:32 AM
    Reply to: Message 842 by ICANT
    05-26-2018 3:32 AM


    Re: complexities don't always translate into analogies
    What is the available evidence that took place when there was nothing but a hot mass of Plasma.

    There's a lot of stuff about how particles work out there. We can look at energy conditions that existed at around 10−11 seconds in particle accelerators.

    Then why did you say in answer to a question say that fundamental particles already existed.

    Can you specify what you are referring to?

    The part that says Inflation should be a circle around the white big bang circle.

    Feel free to draw your own diagram but this one does depict the inflationary universe sufficiently well. The y-axis is time, the x-axis is the radius of the universe. As time increases, the radius increases. During inflation the rate of inflation was very high, as represented by the slope of the line.

    I mean - if you don't know how graphs work, the subject you are discussing is way too advanced for you.

    I would like to see the empirically derived evidence to support any of the claims prior to the 380,000 years after big bang.

    Glad to hear it! In the meantime, since you are the one who is attempting to criticize the inflationary universe at a basic level - let's stick to that. In a few years after you've gone over the empirically derived evidence we can drill down to more details.

    But all information I can find says nucleus formed after the 380,000 year mark. Where the visible universe begins.

    No, the information you can find says atoms formed here. You've even said so several times.

    Where is any empirical evidence to support NASA'S assertion about neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos?

    It can be found in physics papers. They're very difficult to understand.

    But what slowed it down and when did it slow down?

    At about 10-32 seconds - as you can see from the labelled diagram I gave you.

    But NASA had neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos already existing.

    No. The NASA statement clearly says "According to NASA, after inflation the growth of the universe continued, but at a slower rate... One second after the Big Bang, the universe was filled with neutrons, protons....'

    Which if they existed the space between them would expand over 900 feet every 1 millionth of a second.

    No, the rate of expansion was closer to 70km/s per megaparsec.

    But the raisins don't move anywhere. The space expands between them.

    Well the raisins might not - but fundamental particles are active buggers - it's difficult to get them to stop moving around.

    How would dark energy if it exists slow down expansion?
    No body knows anything about dark energy, or if it even exists.

    Well, we're talking about the inflationary theory. In inflationary theory dark energy is what is causing the expansion.

    How would you get any other configuration?

    Maybe you need to explain how expansion works.
    Does it expand in every direction equally?
    If not what causes it to do anything else?

    Yes - but it may have curvature.

    I thought the universe had a fabric around it?

    I don't know anybody that suggests this.


    What does having no edge have to do with the shape of the universe.

    Ask a flat-earther. They propose the earth has edges. Everyone else says it doesn't.

    There are 3 pictures and one of them is supposed to be the shape of the universe.
    One is a rectangular sheet which would have 4 edges.

    Nobody thinks the universe is a rectangular sheet. You are talking about a 'flat' universe. One with no curvature. The consensus being if this is the case the universe is infinite or is of a shape that wraps around itself in interesting ways. And therefore there are no edges.

    quote:
    In a universe with zero curvature, the local geometry is flat. The most obvious global structure is that of Euclidean space, which is infinite in extent. Flat universes that are finite in extent include the torus and Klein bottle.

    One is a rectangular sheet which is curved like a saddle and has 4 edges.

    This is referring to a universe with negative curvature. This too is infinite:

    quote:
    A hyperbolic universe, one of a negative spatial curvature, is described by hyperbolic geometry, and can be thought of locally as a three-dimensional analog of an infinitely extended saddle shape.

    The other is a sphere which has no edges.

    quote:
    A positively curved universe is described by elliptic geometry, and can be thought of as a three-dimensional hypersphere, or some other spherical 3-manifold (such as the Poincar dodecahedral space), all of which are quotients of the 3-sphere.

    -Quotes taken from wiki

    I have never figured out how we could get inside either of the other two. As there is no depth to them like a sheet of paper.

    They are 2D maps of a 3D environment. That would be like your clients complaining that the house you designed is two small to fit inside and the rooms don't have any height.

    Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.


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    Faith
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    Message 846 of 919 (833765)
    05-26-2018 11:35 AM
    Reply to: Message 839 by ICANT
    05-26-2018 12:51 AM


    Re: Difference in 2D &3D objects
    Thanks ICANT, it did sound like it must be a computer program but it wasn't clear so I had to ask. Sounds like a really fun piece of equipment.

    Why is your ark design so different from others?


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    Message 847 of 919 (833767)
    05-26-2018 11:40 AM
    Reply to: Message 837 by ICANT
    05-26-2018 12:11 AM


    Re: Speed of Light vs. Expansion of the Universe
    ICANT writes:

    This is my last post on the balloon analogy to anyone period.


    So you're not here to try to understand?

    An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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    Faith
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    Message 848 of 919 (833769)
    05-26-2018 11:45 AM
    Reply to: Message 838 by NoNukes
    05-26-2018 12:38 AM


    Re: Your misrepresentations
    My comments did not mention anything about Catholics as Christians. All I said was that I would not address what you said about Catholics. Then you ran yourself off the rails claiming that you never said anything about Catholics as Christians for some unknown reason. (By the way, that post was deleted by Phat before I ever saw it. I did not know what it was about until you told me.) Well, it turns that you did exactly what I said you did. And I did not dig out a random quote of you talking about Catholics. That quote is from the same discussion where I made my perfectly appropriate comment.

    Right, you don't care about context, you don't care what I'm actually trying to say. I could spend a month explaining the obvious and you wouldn't get it.

    Yes indeed you said

    All I said was that I would not address what you said about Catholics.
    after I had taken pains to say I'm not talking about Catholics, I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about the system, the ideology. Your just saying that much showed you either didn't read what I'd said or you didn't care or both. I doubt you had in mind the statement about Catholic countries at that point, you just threw that in later because it seems to prove me wrong though the context doesn't fit. But I shouldn't bother, this is a lost cause. You've decided to be a Liberal Nazi and find fault with every little thing I say and there's no stopping you. You won't get this either. Ho hum.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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    Message 849 of 919 (833773)
    05-26-2018 12:20 PM
    Reply to: Message 843 by ICANT
    05-26-2018 3:58 AM


    Re: Difference in 2D &3D objects
    he only thing that would change the cost would be changes to the plan or some idiot sawing up a bunch of material wrong.

    Are material costs the only expenditures in a large project? And when you say "sawing up a bunch of material wrong", you imply that there is only one way to saw up material correctly for a large project. Is that accurate? What if small amounts of material are sawed differently than expected? Would that make small changes in the cost? So perhaps "a bunch" is not correct. Is the number of nails required exactly predictable? The amount of glue? The difficulty of digging into the ground? Isn't the cost of making a large foundation always an estimate? Does weather affect the completion time and the hours spent? Is the weather accurately predictable using any computer program?

    Yes, I imagine you can get the cost of Fido's house exactly from your program. But then nobody would buy a multi-thousand dollar piece of software for that. But the cost of adding an addition to your own house? That is going to be a close estimate at best. In fact, for projects where you can justify spending nearly 10 grand on the software, you are going to get an estimate and nobody will care if that estimate is a 1000 dollars off.


    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

    Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

    I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

    No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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    NoNukes
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    Message 850 of 919 (833786)
    05-26-2018 1:15 PM
    Reply to: Message 848 by Faith
    05-26-2018 11:45 AM


    Re: Your misrepresentations
    after I had taken pains to say I'm not talking about Catholics, I'm not talking about people

    As I demonstrated, those pains you said you took were not successful. You made comments about Catholics, and now you are blaming me for noticing.


    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

    Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

    I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

    No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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    Message 851 of 919 (833792)
    05-26-2018 1:43 PM
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    05-26-2018 1:15 PM


    Re: Your misrepresentations
    My comfort is that God knows.
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    ICANT
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    Message 852 of 919 (833798)
    05-26-2018 2:51 PM
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    05-26-2018 11:35 AM


    Re: Difference in 2D &3D objects
    Hi Faith,

    It is a fun piece of software especially since I retired. Just trying out ways to build new things is fascinating.

    Faith writes:

    Why is your ark design so different from others?

    I designed my ark according to the dimensions given in the Bible.
    Using the long first cubic Moses talked about which would have been 24 inches. Noah was told to build an ark not a boat. Ham's ark is built like an ocean going vessel losing over 30% to curvature of the hull. Mine looks like a modern day ocean going barge except no bow or stern just a rectangular box like Moses was put in the river in.

    It has lower 3rd 2nd, and first floors and also a bottom. The fourth floor where the door would be is 50 feet from the bottom of the ark.
    That would mean you have 4 floors below that one. That is 5 floors with 60,000 sq feet each which equals 6.88 acres. the four floors below would have rooms built in them. You could divide the available volume into a further 6.88 acres. Then when you build smaller areas in height for smaller critters you could add another 3 acres. That is almost 17 acres. In one of my drawings I got a total of 18 acres.

    I am going to take that drawing one day and sit down and see if I can come up with more floorspace by utilizing the unused cubic feet on the main floor.

    Now watch some of these guys tell me the 300' long trees used in the flooring of the bottom of the boat with the cross braces of full length 100' trees and all the cross walls be too weak to withstand the massive waves. With the ark having a 44'draft. Well no one knows how wild the water was nor how hard the wind blew. Although if it was a bad as Mrs White said in her flood story it probably would have been toast. Hers is the same one used by YEC.

    God Bless,


    "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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    ICANT
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    Message 853 of 919 (833799)
    05-26-2018 3:35 PM
    Reply to: Message 849 by NoNukes
    05-26-2018 12:20 PM


    Re: Difference in 2D &3D objects
    Hi NoNukes,

    NoNukes writes:

    Are material costs the only expenditures in a large project?

    No. But they can fluctuate the most during a project.
    That is the reason for such a program that can figure with precision.
    It gives you a list of everything needed in advance. You purchase the material and you do not have to worry about the price going up during the project. It cost me some profit on one project I could have made as the prices had almost a 10% drop in price during one project. But the profit was the same as it would have been had the prices gone up instead. or stayed the same.

    The labor is one of the major costs of any project but the easiest to control. Everything was done by sub-contractors so the price is fixed up front. The government is the worst problem you have to deal with.

    Depending on where the project was located land could be a major cost as well as the infrastructure.

    But when I started doing cabinets only, the bottom line was easier to control. Everybody even the office help was paid a percentage of the cost of the cabinets. So when I got through drawing the set of cabinets I knew exactly what that set of cabinets would cost me installed and punch out. They all made more than they would make working by the hour.

    NoNukes writes:

    But then nobody would buy a multi-thousand dollar piece of software for that

    Well you could draw fido's house with it as well as a scale model house for your daughter and her miniature dolls.

    But it was used in the beginning for the biggest construction company in the Cayman Islands doing multimillion dollar condo projects. Also several 5 and 6 million dollar homes. One 14 million dollar home. One 15 unit condo project where the cheapest unit was 4.5 million.

    I had the privilege doing the cabinets in those units. That was the reason I had a copy of the software and still do.

    Anyway enough of that.

    God Bless,


    "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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    Message 854 of 919 (833800)
    05-26-2018 3:40 PM
    Reply to: Message 847 by ringo
    05-26-2018 11:40 AM


    Re: Speed of Light vs. Expansion of the Universe
    Hi ringo

    ringo writes:

    So you're not here to try to understand?

    I am here to try to understand but until some that know the subject well enough to explain it where a 5 grader can understand it there is no need in me wasting my time asking questions that nobody answers.

    God Bless,


    "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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    Message 855 of 919 (833801)
    05-26-2018 4:00 PM
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    05-26-2018 3:40 PM


    Re: Speed of Light vs. Expansion of the Universe
    I am here to try to understand but until some that know the subject well enough to explain it where a 5 grader can understand it there is no need in me wasting my time asking questions that nobody answers.

    We are discussing topics that I, as an intelligent person in their mid-thirties, find extraordinarily difficult to understand. I've started writing a few posts in this topic, but kept deleting them because I realised I lacked confidence in my understanding. Why would you expect that anyone would ever be able to explain this to a child? You're an intelligent adult and yet are apparently flummoxed by the basics.


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