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Message 961 of 1355 (840901)
10-05-2018 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by ringo
10-05-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Creation
Science doesn't cover the spiritual. It doesn't cover what time is like in deep space. It doesn't cover what the laws and nature on earth was after creation...etc.
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Message 962 of 1355 (840902)
10-05-2018 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 954 by ICANT
10-05-2018 1:59 AM


Re: Creation
I disagree. I say science does make origin claims.
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Message 963 of 1355 (840904)
10-05-2018 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 952 by ICANT
10-05-2018 1:19 AM


Re: Creation
The earth would orbit in the same time if no man lived on earth, or if all men hid in a closet for a few days.
Your claim that animals have no concept of time is not supported.
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Message 964 of 1355 (840906)
10-05-2018 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 950 by ICANT
10-05-2018 12:28 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:

Red has to be a substance for me to put red in the bag....


But of course red isn't a substance. Go to the hardware store and ask for some red. They'll look at you like you're an idiot. Red is not a substance.

ICANT writes:

I could pour some red paint in the bag and the inside of the bag would be red. If there was a piece of wood in the bag it would get red paint on it.


The paint would have the property red. The wood would have the property red. Red is a property of things. It is not a thing.

ICANT writes:

I hope that helps you understand what existence is.


It's pretty clear that you don't understand. I'm not hoping to help you understand anything. I'm just hoping to clarify your nonsense for anybody else who is reading this.

ICANT writes:

I hope that helps you understand what existence is. It is the opposite of an absence of anything.


The opposite of absence is presence. Both absence and presence are properties of things. They are not things themselves. You can't have a bag of absence. You can't have a bag of presence.

The opposite of existence is non-existence. They do not coincide exactly with presence and absence. Something that exists can be either present or absent. Something that does not exist is neither absent nor present.

ICANT writes:

ringo writes:

We measure distance with distance,


How do you accomplish that?

I told you. We compare known distances with unknown distances, like an unknown length of two-by-four with a known length of yardstick.

ICANT writes:

ringo writes:

We measure an unknown time with a known time


Please explain that statement.

I did. We compare an unknown time, say the time it takes to run 100 meters, with a known time, say the time it takes a one-meter-long pendulum to make one swing.

All measurement is relative to some "standard".

ICANT writes:

But please tell me how you measure time. I use a watch.


You answered your own question.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 965 of 1355 (840907)
10-05-2018 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 951 by ICANT
10-05-2018 12:37 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:

I replied with God definition of eternity which is "I exist that I exist"


That's your statement, not God's.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 966 of 1355 (840911)
10-05-2018 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 961 by creation
10-05-2018 11:53 AM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

Science doesn't cover the spiritual.


It doesn't cover pixies either. Show us evidence that pixies exist and science will cover them. Show us some evidence that "the spiritual" exists and science will cover it. (You should probably start a new topic for that.)

creation writes:

It doesn't cover what time is like in deep space.


Sure it does. You might not understand the answers but science has them. (At least, science is actively looking for the answers.) You might not like the answers but that doesn't mean science doesn't have them.

creation writes:

It doesn't cover what the laws and nature on earth was after creation...


Sure it does. According to all of the evidence, the laws were the same as they are now. You might want to fantasize that the laws were different to accommodate your creation fairy tale, but that doesn't mean that science doesn't cover it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 967 of 1355 (840930)
10-05-2018 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 961 by creation
10-05-2018 11:53 AM


Re: Creation
Well, I can see science not covering the spiritual, but when it coems to 'what is time like in deep space', and the laws of nature on earth, most definitely it does.
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Message 968 of 1355 (840931)
10-05-2018 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 962 by creation
10-05-2018 11:55 AM


Re: Creation
What orgin claims does science make??? Give a precise example, and explain why it's an 'origin claim'.
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Message 969 of 1355 (840952)
10-05-2018 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 966 by ringo
10-05-2018 12:09 PM


Re: Creation
You have shown no evidence that the laws on earth were the same.

Science has no answers for what time is like in deep space. That is why you post no substance.

Bluster on.


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Message 970 of 1355 (840953)
10-05-2018 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 968 by ramoss
10-05-2018 3:19 PM


Re: Creation
Origin of life on earth, origin of man, origin of the moon, origin of the planets and sun and stars...big bang..etc.
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Message 971 of 1355 (840954)
10-05-2018 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 967 by ramoss
10-05-2018 3:19 PM


Re: Creation
Great so prove that the nature and laws were the same in early earth history, and prove that time is the same as here out where the stars are. I call you out.
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Message 972 of 1355 (840964)
10-06-2018 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 962 by creation
10-05-2018 11:55 AM


Re: Creation
Hi creation,

creation writes:

I disagree. I say science does make origin claims.

Idiots have made origin claims but real scientist make no such claims.

When asking about origin of the universe or life the only scientific answer I have ever received is "we don't know". That from real scientist.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 973 of 1355 (840965)
10-06-2018 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 955 by JonF
10-05-2018 10:15 AM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,

Jon writes:

Easy. Atomic clocks are not in sync with the rotation of the Earth. They are in sync with one of various energy level transitions in particular atoms, and are in no way connected to the rate of rotation of the Earth.

The atomic clock is just that a clock. However a very sophisticated clock, designed by man and created by man using atoms to determine the length of a second.

But a clock has one purpose and that is to measure the duration between events.

I used to have a watch that gained 5 minutes every 24 hours. If I had put it in a drawer and picked it up and put it on a couple of weeks later forgetting it gained that 5 minutes every day and I had a Dr appointment at 2 PM, I would get to my Dr's office at 10 minutes to one.

Since the earth is slowing down the day gets longer but the atomic clock can't keep up. Leap seconds then are required.

So time is based on the rotation of the earth relative to the sun. Not to the atomic clock.

You can't adjust the earth so you have to adjust the clock.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 974 of 1355 (840966)
10-06-2018 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 956 by JonF
10-05-2018 10:22 AM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,

Jon writes:

The Earth-rotation clock is adjusted to match the atomic clock.

How do you adjust the earth's rotation?
You add leap seconds to the atomic clock. You can't change the earth's speed of rotation, only God could do that.

Jon writes:

Leap seconds are added so the atomic clock and earth are in sync, but not because of any change in the Earth's rotation rate. As of now that's too small to be important. They are added because atomic-clock time does not tick at the same rate as Earth-rotation time.

So the second that is chosen to be one second in duration is wrong and it is not a good representation of one second.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 975 of 1355 (840967)
10-06-2018 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 957 by JonF
10-05-2018 10:25 AM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,

Jon writes:

The scientific answer is "we're not sure but we have some possible hypotheses and are making significant progress in finding out".

So you don't know either.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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