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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1 of 42 (785082)
05-27-2016 3:49 PM


https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=antibiotic+resistant...

It was just six months ago (roughly) that the World Health Organization said that 700,000 people worldwide die each year from bacterial infections that are resistant to all known antibiotics, and that the annual death toll would reach an even more dreadful 10 million deaths per year by 2050.

It made me even sicker on my stomach than I usually am when thinking about this issue. Alex Jones and Ralph Nader have been about the only ones talking about this one that I can think of. I remember watching a Jones documentary (from around a decade ago) where Nader was interviewed in Crawford talking about the REAL biological issues we should fear and ones that could indeed terminate our lives (unlike the lame Iraqi weapons the media was buzzing about 24/7 for over a decade up to the circa 2005 present). Nader was asking "what about a war on infectious diseases?" and mentioned the grizzly mortality figures.

Now that an American has finally gotten an infection, I wonder if the 700,000 deaths worldwide will bring the USA our "fair-share" proportion of 30,000 per year. Come to think of it, maybe our asshole congress (and media, culture, population, etc.) needs some staggering death totals to finally do something about funding new antibiotics to help prevent this totally foreseeable human catastrophe (not that it isn't one already when we see 700,000 deaths per year). No new class developed since the 1980s despite a tiny cost relative to the military boondoggles.

Lets take bets on which state will suffer the first casualty. Then which state will loose its first dozen lives to the bacteria. Then which state will be the first to loose 100. Then which will be the first to loose 1000 lives per year.

Then 10,000 lost lives will come in which state first?

Which year?

First, lets spend trillions on the F-35.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#tbm=nws&q=+f-35+trillions

Assholes.


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jar
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Message 2 of 42 (785085)
05-27-2016 3:56 PM


Yawn.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3 of 42 (785086)
05-27-2016 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LamarkNewAge
05-27-2016 3:49 PM


What To Focus On As A Nation
I suppose my first question is why are only Alex Jones and Ralph Nader talking about this issue?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 4 of 42 (785090)
05-27-2016 4:30 PM
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05-27-2016 3:56 PM


10 million deaths per year.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/.../amr-review-final

http://www.wired.com/2014/12/oneill-rpt-amr/

http://www.theguardian.com/...deaths-soar-10m-by-2050-report

From the Guardian.

quote:

A “low estimate” of the current number of annual global deaths is put at 700,000.

There are already 23,000 deaths in the USA per year, actually. This news from Pennsylvania was about a "super-bug".

The National Geographic says that it was an organization separate from the WHO that gave the (nevertheless very credible) 10 million deaths by 2050.

One death every 3 seconds.

Very serious.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 5 of 42 (785091)
05-27-2016 4:44 PM
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05-27-2016 3:58 PM


Re: What To Focus On As A Nation
quote:

I suppose my first question is why are only Alex Jones and Ralph Nader talking about this issue?

Because it is so big of an issue that the mainstream media (almost) silence is deafening.

Just like USA medical errors which, now, according to the British Medical Journal (BMJ) kill 251,000 instead of the assumed 98,000.

And much of that issue involves flesh eating bacteria.

http://www.cnn.com/...medical-error-a-leading-cause-of-death

The media might lecture us about "corporations and their influence" to inflame the population into passing laws and constitutional amendments against speech, but what about the endless sports, soap opera, sitcom, talk-show, musical festival, etc. obsession of ABC, NBC, CBS, et al? Whenever there is news coverage, it is little more than inflaming people over fairly minor terrorist incidents (and gun shooting incidents).


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Message 6 of 42 (785095)
05-27-2016 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LamarkNewAge
05-27-2016 3:49 PM


It made me even sicker on my stomach than I usually am when thinking about this issue. Alex Jones and Ralph Nader have been about the only ones talking about this one that I can think of.

It's very well-known among medical and science professionals. It's been picked up by the news, but obviously it's not going to be talked about as much as so-called riots at a Trump rally because little microbes don't bring in ad revenue as much as easier to understand, sensational journalism.

Alex Jones is a certified wacko and bigot who endorses articles on his website like "Does Homosexual Marriage Signal America's Final Undoing?" So I'm not sure why you're looking to Alex Jones as some kind of credible persona.

Lets take bets on which state will suffer the first casualty.

Wut?

Then which state will loose its first dozen lives to the bacteria.

"To the bacteria." Do you know the biology of this or not? Antibiotic-resistant bacteria have been around for a long time, and have claimed U.S. lives for a long time.

And, tbh, your whole post smells of sensationalism instead of reflecting a thorough understanding of the biology and nature of the threat of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.


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Faith
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Message 7 of 42 (785111)
05-28-2016 12:45 AM
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05-27-2016 5:22 PM


Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
That IS an article from Scientific American, which is probably not just getting around to noticing the problem of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. It's about a "superbug," something they consider to be more threatening than the usual.

What with Ebola and Zika and now this, and maybe we should even go back to AIDS to round out our collection of new horrific diseases, we Bible believers have reason to think Jesus' predictions about the Last Days before His return (Luke 21) are well underway. These diseases would fulfill the prediction of increase in "pestilences" He mentioned.

We've also seen some devastating earthquakes around the world in recent years, which He also mentioned. I haven't compared their frequency to former spates of earthquakes but subjectively they seem to be getting bigger and closer together.

Let's see, what else. Well there are plenty of false Christs but most of those have been around for a couple of centuries, I don't know of any really new ones. Persecution of Christians? Going on everywhere. Email today about a woman in India who recently lost her job because of her Christian faith, yesterday heard an interview with an American man who lost his job with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory for offering a co-worker the loan of a DVD about Intelligent Design; I get periodic reports and pictures from an Indian pastor who is daily in danger of his life from the Hindus and Muslims. Like Paul the Apostle in his time.

Wars and rumors of wars? Also lots of those for a long time. But the pestilences are new and possibly the rate and severity of earthquakes.

I guess this confirms my standing at EvC as a certified wacko and bigot too. Especially if I add that I too think Gay Marriage may be the last nail in America's coffin.

From his nom de plume I gather LamarkNewAge wouldn't be open to the recommendation of a return to Biblical Christianity to save the nation, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't, along with the majority here. We Christians keep praying though, hoping against hope to stave off the inevitable for at least a while.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 8 of 42 (785117)
05-28-2016 3:23 AM
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05-28-2016 12:45 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
Faith writes:

I guess this confirms my standing at EvC as a certified wacko

It would if confirmation was remotely necessary, but the evidence you provide daily is more than enough.

Remember motivated reasoning? When you hear about stories of antibiotics no longer being effective you imagine it's the end times. Hasn't it crossed your mind that before modern medicine millions were killed by diseases that we've since wiped out? And that our creation of antibiotics and vaccines has stopped billions of people suffering and dying from simple diseases - often in childhood? Before modern medicine even pregnancy was often a death sentence for mother and child.

We've never been healthier or safer or lived as long. This is one area that you could actually research and get real evidence for. But you won't be able to because you are incapable of putting your biases aside and using what you believe to be your god given mind.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 9 of 42 (785119)
05-28-2016 3:38 AM
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05-28-2016 3:23 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
Perhaps you remember my answer to this, perhaps not.

When we were still basically a Christian nation God blessed us with all kinds of medical discoveries and other benefits. Now that we've been sliding for a few decades into paganism and opposing His Law, we are under judgment. It could be just a local judgment but it seems to be worldwide. But it IS judgment and unless we reverse course even you aren't going to like the result.


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Tangle
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Message 10 of 42 (785122)
05-28-2016 4:10 AM
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05-28-2016 3:38 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
Faith writes:

When we were still basically a Christian nation God blessed us with all kinds of medical discoveries and other benefits. Now that we've been sliding for a few decades into paganism and opposing His Law, we are under judgment. It could be just a local judgment but it seems to be worldwide. But it IS judgment and unless we reverse course even you aren't going to like the result.

Motivated reasoning demonstrated in real time.

I just explained to you how we've 'never had it so good' and you totally ignore the evidence of modern medicine which is STILL IMPROVING. Your last end times predictor was AIDS, but somehow mankind managed to evade god's wrath by finding drugs, education and practices that control it. So that is conveniently forgotten and you think of something else that might be a helpful indicator.

What are you going to do when gene therapy starts becoming routine and some of god's world's worst inventions are eradicated or curable?

"Current and possible candidates for gene therapy include cancer, AIDS, cystic fibrosis, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease), cardiovascular disease and arthritis. In cases such as cystic fibrosis or hemophilia, disease results from a mutation in a single gene."

I suppose the irony in the fact that it is evolution that is causing our antibiotics to become less effective is lost on you too.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Genomicus
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Message 11 of 42 (785127)
05-28-2016 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
05-28-2016 12:45 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
That IS an article from Scientific American, which is probably not just getting around to noticing the problem of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. It's about a "superbug," something they consider to be more threatening than the usual.

Yes. When I said LamarckNewAge's post smells of sensationalism, I was referring to the particular language used in the OP.

E.g.:

"It made me even sicker on my stomach than I usually am when thinking about this issue."

"where Nader was interviewed in Crawford talking about the REAL biological issues we should fear and ones that could indeed terminate our lives (unlike the lame Iraqi weapons the media was buzzing about 24/7 for over a decade up to the circa 2005 present)"

"Come to think of it, maybe our asshole congress (and media, culture, population, etc.)..."

You get the point. LamarckNewAge has a very idiosyncratic manner of dialogue which makes it hard to take her/him/it seriously.

Persecution of Christians? Going on everywhere. Email today about a woman in India who recently lost her job because of her Christian faith, yesterday heard an interview with an American man who lost his job with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory for offering a co-worker the loan of a DVD about Intelligent Design.

I wouldn't trust that the Intelligent Design Movement is giving you accurate details. I was invited by William Dembski in 2010 to join his secretive email list/email discussion group, which basically had all the major stars of the Intelligent Design Movement (Mike Behe, Paul Nelson, Casey Luskin, etc., as well as that JPL fellow you're referring to). I added some of my own input to the discussion group, but after some tension I ended up defecting because (1) basically 60% of the discussion revolved around critiquing the modern evolutionary synthesis, instead of proposing ID hypotheses which could be used in day-to-day scientific research, (2) and 30% of the discussion consisted of railing against the "lefties" and "Marxists" and global warming, and (3) there was always this underlying current of YECism in the discussion. I quickly discovered that this wasn't exactly an intellectually honest group, as there was clear religious bias among the group, despite the Intelligent Design Movement's public face of not having any religious goals.

Anyways, the point of all of this is that you're likely not getting the whole story from the Intelligent Design Movement people.

And while I'm sorry that Christians are persecuted for their religious faith, this doesn't prove much except that patriarchic institutions have a habit of creating violence.

From his nom de plume I gather LamarkNewAge wouldn't be open to the recommendation of a return to Biblical Christianity to save the nation, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't, along with the majority here.

Well, if you must know, I rather doubt that a return to a book written either by (a) a band of women-hating psychopaths, or (b) a psychopath in the sky will do much to improve the human condition.

Edited by Genomicus, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 12 of 42 (785128)
05-28-2016 8:20 AM
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05-28-2016 4:10 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
I just explained to you how we've 'never had it so good' and you totally ignore the evidence of modern medicine which is STILL IMPROVING.

Yes, which shows God's blessings haven't run out, thanks to our Christian past. It's like a bank in a way, we built up a good account with God and it's still earning interest. So I say thank You God, and I hope it continues. But I'm also aware of the contrary influences we've been under for half a century or more, and that's a drain on our bank account. How far along we are to losing our blessings I don't know, but I know we're already under judgment and it's growing. I know this from the Bible, and I understand that you aren't in a position to take it seriously because you don't believe it.

Your last end times predictor was AIDS, but somehow mankind managed to evade god's wrath by finding drugs, education and practices that control it.

Yes, thank You Lord. AIDS wasn't my "last" I merely added it to the new list of scary diseases because it falls within the recent time frame. And the proper answer to anything that controls it is gratitude to God and the hope that it won't get worse. However, it's still a growing disease in some places even in America.

So that is conveniently forgotten and you think of something else that might be a helpful indicator.

Judgment is scary. Makes the bottom drop out of your stomach if you consider it as a reality. Like LamarkNewAge said, makes you feel sick. Anything that holds it back is welcome. Christians pray it will be held back after all, as I said. Nobody wants judgment. I hope and pray for revival so that God would bless us again.

What are you going to do when gene therapy starts becoming routine and some of god's world's worst inventions are eradicated or curable?

Thank God for them, what else? But it's our sins that bring down His judgment on us, and we can reverse it by returning to Him. It's all our choice.

"Current and possible candidates for gene therapy include cancer, AIDS, cystic fibrosis, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease), cardiovascular disease and arthritis. In cases such as cystic fibrosis or hemophilia, disease results from a mutation in a single gene."

I hope the blessings continue, as I said.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 13 of 42 (785129)
05-28-2016 8:25 AM
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05-28-2016 8:20 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
I cannot be PC anymore. Faith, your god is a genocidal maniac who revels on pain and misery.
What is great is that Yahweh is no more real than Zeus or Ukko Ylijumala. What is not great is that billions of people act as if they were real...
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Message 14 of 42 (785130)
05-28-2016 8:28 AM
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05-28-2016 12:45 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
Faith writes:

Wars and rumors of wars? Also lots of those for a long time. But the pestilences are new and possibly the rate and severity of earthquakes.

Utter and complete nonsense and just another clear example of the utter ignorance found in the USA today. None of the things you called pestilences rose to the significance of almost all diseases in the past. Are you not aware of the pandemics of the early 1900s? Or the Black Death that swept across the known world in 14 hundreds? How about Justinian's Plague? How about Smallpox and Cholera and tuberculosis and polio and leprosy and malaria and The Spanish Disease?

And there is no such thing as Biblical Christianity and never has been. The whole purpose of the Freedom of Religion clause was to prevent any one of the dozens of different "Biblical Christianity" groups, particularly the wacko Puritans from gaining power.

Come on Faith.

Faith writes:

From his nom de plume I gather LamarkNewAge wouldn't be open to the recommendation of a return to Biblical Christianity to save the nation, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't, along with the majority here. We Christians keep praying though, hoping against hope to stave off the inevitable for at least a while.

Just as the ignorant folk in past plagues called on a return to "The Faith" and used the sickness as yet another reason to expel Jews, Muslims, Witches, Gypsies and all the other "undesireables".

Little has changed Faith, Ignorance and bigotry wakos are in vogue and fashion today too.

But the news is simply not news except to those who have been willfully ignorant.

Antibiotic resistant strains of almost ever known virus have been with us for ages and the problem has been openly discussed for many many decades. In particular resistant TB has become a major concern.

And the answer is still not some imaginary return to the imaginary human creation marketed as "Biblical Christianity" but rather education, and a constant battle against ignorance.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith
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Message 15 of 42 (785131)
05-28-2016 8:32 AM
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05-28-2016 6:18 AM


Re: Yup, us wackos and bigots see some heavy stuff coming
I know LNA's style leaves something to be desired, but since the information came from Scientific American I figured there is reason to take it seriously as a NEW disease problem and not just the usual antibiotic-resistant disease problem.

As for the ID, it's interesting to hear you've been that involved in such things, but the interview with the JPL person was by my local Christian radio interviewer who interviews all kinds of Christians and there was nothing particularly ID-oriented about it. He lost his job because offering to lend a DVD on ID was called "religious harassment." He claims he merely offered it as a friend, no harassment involved, had done so with many other co-workers without incident. I don't take any of this as an ID issue.

My post was just an attempt to show that Jesus' end-time predictions seem to be coming true lately. And of course I love the Bible as God's true and merciful, good and kind word and trust it with my life, and it makes me sad when people hate it and hate this loving God, but I understand it since I too was once an atheist.


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