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Dr Adequate
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Message 526 of 1163 (788029)
07-25-2016 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 520 by Faith
07-24-2016 2:38 PM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
You can't get a stratum, a thick flat rock that extends over a huge area, from a lake.
There is nothing in the definition of a stratum that says it has to cover a huge area. (Also, some lakes do cover a huge area.)
And we do in fact find lake-sized strata in the geological record.

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Pressie
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Message 527 of 1163 (788048)
07-25-2016 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 513 by Faith
07-24-2016 9:29 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Faith writes:
Today, yes, but the strata could not possibly have been formed in such small bodies of water with such distinctive boundaries.
Yes, we sure can and we do. Lake Erie for, example.
Faith writes:
The strata are commonly enormous, huge, flat flat flat thick thick thick blocks of rock
You mean like we find being deposited in the Kalahari and Mozambique Channel today?
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 528 of 1163 (788063)
07-25-2016 11:45 AM
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07-24-2016 9:29 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Faith writes:
... the strata could not possibly have been formed in such small bodies of water with such distinctive boundaries.
Remember the experiment we all did when we were nine? You can get strata in a peanut butter jar.

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Message 529 of 1163 (788097)
07-26-2016 4:45 AM
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07-25-2016 11:45 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
THE strata is of course a different thing from strata formed in a peanut butter jar.

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Pressie
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Message 530 of 1163 (788099)
07-26-2016 6:41 AM
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07-26-2016 4:45 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Faith writes:
THE strata is of course a different thing from strata formed in a peanut butter jar.
Geological time periods are not "strata" or "layers" or anything like that, Faith.

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Pressie
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Message 531 of 1163 (788100)
07-26-2016 6:42 AM
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07-26-2016 4:45 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Faith writes:
THE strata is of course a different thing from strata formed in a peanut butter jar.
Geological time periods are not strata or "layers" or anything like that, Faith.
Edited by Pressie, : Please erase this duplicate of the previous comment.

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jar
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Message 532 of 1163 (788104)
07-26-2016 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 523 by Faith
07-24-2016 3:25 PM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Faith writes:
But of course. As the creationists point out, there is no end to the plausible explanations for anything an evo's little heart desires, because it's all the kind of science that can never be proved or disproved, it's all just a tissue of subjective interpretations.
Once again Faith, the only true part of that is that Creationists say the damndest things.
The truth is that every area of science has independently shown that the earth is old and neither of the Biblical Flood myths actually happened.
Physics, astronomy, geology, archeology, paleontology, chemistry, biology, genetics as well as all the physical evidence ever found has independently shown that the earth is old and neither of the Biblical Flood myths actually happened.
No Creationist has ever been able to provide any model, method, process, procedure or thingamabob that can explain what has been discovered and that is the fact that is the reality we live in.
It's not just the fossils.
It is that Young Earth or some Biblical Flood are just plain not true.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 533 of 1163 (788105)
07-26-2016 9:34 AM
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07-26-2016 4:45 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
THE strata is of course a different thing from strata formed in a peanut butter jar.
There is no such thing as THE strata...
There's different strata all over the place.

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Faith 
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Message 534 of 1163 (788121)
07-26-2016 11:32 AM
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07-26-2016 9:34 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
They are not in peanut butter jars.

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ringo
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Message 535 of 1163 (788126)
07-26-2016 11:43 AM
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07-26-2016 4:45 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Faith writes:
THE strata is of course a different thing from strata formed in a peanut butter jar.
One of the differences is that the strata out in the real world are not all laid down in one water-related event like in the peanut butter jar. There's a water event followed by a volcanic event followed by another water event followed by an Aeolian event and so on.
There is no way that all of those strata can be explained by one event. Your Flood can not explain the sorting of the fossils in the water events and it can not explain the non-water events between the water events. Those fossils have to represent organisms that were living peacefully on land during your supposed Flood.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 536 of 1163 (788128)
07-26-2016 11:53 AM
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07-26-2016 4:45 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
THE strata is of course a different thing from strata formed in a peanut butter jar.
That's true. For one thing the strata produced by the PB jar experiment are hydraulically sorted.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 537 of 1163 (788133)
07-26-2016 12:17 PM
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07-26-2016 11:32 AM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Sure, they really aren't. Can we now count on you to stop referring to them as THE strata, as if there was only one?

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Faith 
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Message 538 of 1163 (788143)
07-26-2016 1:39 PM
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07-26-2016 12:17 PM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Sorry, there is only ONE geological column on which the Geo Timetable is based. There is only ONE kind of strata that I'm ever talking about, so no, I'm not going to stop talking about them as one particular phenomenon. Sorry.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 539 of 1163 (788153)
07-26-2016 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 538 by Faith
07-26-2016 1:39 PM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
Sorry, there is only ONE geological column on which the Geo Timetable is based.
Sure, but that's abstraction. There is not an actual geological column that has all of the layers in it.
Different places on the planet have different stratum in their individual geological columns. So really, there are lots and lots of geological columns.
What is refered to as The Geological Column is an artifact of summing all of the individual geological columns into one master geological column, but its not a real thing that exists in the planet rather it is a concept of what all of the stratum together would look like.
There is only ONE kind of strata that I'm ever talking about, so no, I'm not going to stop talking about them as one particular phenomenon.
But you're not talking about a real thing. You're talking about an abstraction as if it is a real thing. That's only ever going to lead you astray and cause confusion.
Nowhere on Earth is there a place where The Geological Column exists in it entirety.
Sorry.
You know, if you Google "the geological column" then you get either creationist sites talking about it, or evolutionist sites talking about the creationist sites talking about it. You don't get any scientific sites talking about it:
Google
Why do you think that is?

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Faith 
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Message 540 of 1163 (788155)
07-26-2016 3:04 PM
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07-26-2016 2:57 PM


Re: From rock slabs to epeiric seas, there's no room for living things
The strata are quite real. That the geo column is never complete doesn't make the strata not real.

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