These recent developments were a confirmation of my earlier prediction in post #1586.
Both can be found in my link above.
Linking to sources of information is not a good way to make a point at EvC unless you fully understand the information and use the link to support your position rather than simply to provide information.
#5: Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
For example, whenever I discuss Christianity I discuss it knowing well what my position is. I often get challenged... as an example, jar and I have had some classic discussions and he usually knows how to challenge my positions well.My point being that I can defend my position based on what is said directly to me but not by defending my position against links.
If you simply provide us with links to further your case, please know that 95% of the time your links wont even get read. Participants like to hear your basic arguments and points made in your own words first.
As a side-note...you are improving. I'm just reminding everybody is all.
Edited by Phat, : fixed spalling
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
It was essentially trying to alert blacks that Sanders was an anti-Christian Jew by raising the religion issue. The raisng of Sanders ethnicity would just kill him among blacks.
Did anybody actually try such a stunt?
I understand there is a separate question regarding the DNC making any moves/suggestions, legitimate or not, to help Clinton, but calling this particular suggestion unsavory or odious is probably a gross understatement. I doubt that the tactic would be a highly successful approach among black folks, or that it would even have been necessary. By and large, religious black evangelicals are just as much pro Israel as are white evangelist Christians. And the potential downside of playing these kinds of discrimination games would be incredible for anyone not named Trump.
Fairly stupid idea, no matter who thought of it.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Just out of curiosity, Frako...how do you see American politics in contrast to other European politics? Are we weirdly different?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Yes and no, your politicians are as corrupt as any other it's just that yours don't hide it. You basically have legalised bribery. While ours have to be bribed under the table. We are very similar in media coverage of people who are not with the establishment as in no or little coverage. We have the same right wing nuts that are in the minority but almost all come to the polls so they always get in. The whole 2 party system is a little funny but its essentially the same here its just that the left parites or the right from a coalition once they are in, essentially joining the parties in to one till the next election. As for conventions to pick their candidates, every party has its own rules on how to do that, as i have no intention of financing these pricks i am not a member of any party so im not too sure how that goes. Oh and we vote for a party not a candidate for the parlament seats. I think last time they changed it a bit so we also pick among some members but i forgot. The parties in the coalition then pick the prime minister and the ministers, and oddly enough the number of ministers. While the presidential elections go a bit different, out of x number of candidates tose with the most votes go in to the next round till someone gets over 50% of the vote.
essentially the same crap just a different package. Its yust that watching your politicians makes me laugh while watching ours makes me cry.
p.s. i know its a bunch of world salad but what do you expect when talking about politics.
Edited by frako, : p.s.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
Hillary Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook said Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump was pushing for a pro-Russian platform and cited experts who say that Russian state actors were behind the recent leak of Democratic National Committee emails in an attempt to help Trump win.
"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails, and now are leaking them out through these websites, Mook told ABC’s "This Week" on Sunday. "It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.
Mook also suggested that the GOP nominee altered the Republican party platform to make it more attractive to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime.
"It was concerning last week that Donald Trump changed the Republican platform to become what some experts would regard as pro-Russian," Mook said.
Then
on wikileaks
quote:Page Unavailable - ABC News The 4 Most Damaging Emails From the DNC WikiLeaks Dump By ALANA ABRAMSON SHUSHANNAH WALSHE Wikileaks leaked nearly 20,000 emails on Friday from top Democratic National Committee officials, exchanged from January 2015 through May 2016. Several emails released show that although the DNC was supposed to remain neutral during the primary contest, officials grew increasingly agitated with Bernie Sanders and his campaign, at some points even floating ideas about ways to undermine his candidacy.
The source of the leak has not been revealed, though Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, said on ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday that he believes the Russians were instrumental in it.
"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails and now are leaking them out through these websites," Mook said Sunday. "It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump."
I expected people to find the stuff themselves, but the posts indicate otherwise.
Here are the stories.
The top one was posted here like 1 hour after ABC released it.
Trump responded that this was a crazy conspiracy theory.
Its still collusion, and morally if not legally wrong.
It is collusion if the proposed idea was actually pulled off.
Today's wikileaks release is from hacked voicemails at the DNC. It contains calls from a bunch of folks complaining about the DNC bending over backwards to favor Bernie Sanders.
Again, the leaks do discuss favoritism for Hilary, but an odious plan that was never carried out is not much to complain about.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
I wondered that more than ever listening to the Clintons talk last night.
All the Clinton speakers last night blasted Sanders for his single-payer health care plan during the primary.
They attacked Sanders for his 2.2% tax (plus there was the 6.7% employer portion of the workers income to pay a tax on) on workers, but Obamacare has at least a 6% tax on workers, to fund their health care, and that is only if they have a plan with about $3000-$5000 in deductibles.
If workers choose to no plan (as many can't afford it) and you get hit with a 2.5% tax. A 2.5% tax and no health insurance.
Hillary is also way to the right of Trump on war issues. Bush was a baby killer to partisan Democrats (after the Iraq War started to go sour) back last decade. Hillary might be even worse than Bush. Good God. This is 2016 folks, not the Middle Ages.
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Today's wikileaks release is from hacked voicemails at the DNC. It contains calls from a bunch of folks complaining about the DNC bending over backwards to favor Bernie Sanders.
Average citizens, that support an extremely dishonest Hillary Clinton, calling the DNC to make threats, based on their own prefered lies, that don't have an ounce of truth to them. "You aren't being 100.0% unfair to Bernie, I mean you are favoring Bernie. STOP!"
This reference to the calls proves what exactly?
It proves that we live in a world where people are so full of crap that we all all used to hearing people talk all kinds of crap soooooooooooo you have decided to think that the endlessly chaotic b.s. from people is somehow now a balance to us knowing what actually happened?
I say there is geological evidence that contradicts a global flood 5000 years ago, and even have recent data to back show such, but churches are showing a bias toward Flood Geology being historical in their sermons.
You counter by saying, "but callers to that church said that those evil Evolutionists are getting favorable treatment down there in the pulpits in Arkansas".
I think I have this election strategy figured out. The republicans will concede the presidency to the Democrats, but hope to win big at the state and local level. The way that this works is this: Due to the outrageous statements made by Trump, dialogue is stimulated among the people. A consensus is reached through common interests.
Watch to see if I am right. There will be a landslide republican victory in state and local governments. Hillary will win the White House. You read it here first, folks.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Retired General John Allen is about as dishonest as they come.
On ABC's This Week, he actually told George Stephanapolis that the Russians aren't helping fight ISIS.
Russia has 2 bases in the world outside Russia (unlike our hundreds). 1 is in Vietnam and the other is in Alawite Syria, and Russia has been fighting ISIS. Infact Russia and Iran are the only two countries truly fighting ISIS, and they feel that the CIA and its Gulf allies have been helping the group.
Assad was attacked back in early 2015 (or late 2014) by the Israeli IDF, and he said something like, "I don't know why people keep saying al Qaeda does not have an airforce, because they have the IDF".
To balance things out, the (Saudi and CIA funded)Sunni propaganda says that Iran created ISIS as a "false flag" to discredit Sunnis.
Let the "false flag" accusations fly, but Americans are being kept in the dark on the real issues (like who created ISIS as a "false flag"), as is so typical.
Hillary has a bunch of warmongers supporting her who will lie their pants off to justify getting American support for a conflict with Russia. They can't let any sort of reality get into the discussion, so Americans are going to be lied to and lied to endlessly - time after time - in order to make the Russians seem as foul and stinky as possible.
Be aware of the con job.
I am reminded of the time when George Romney went to Vietnam to learn about the war.
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The First Primary: New Hampshire's Outsize Role in Presidential Nominations By David W. Moore, Andrew E. Smith
"...I'd just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get." He clarified that he was speaking of both the generals and the diplomats who had given him bad information.
Hillary Clinton has a history of promoting war propaganda.
Why should we be shocked that we are on the path toward war, with Bernie Sanders now vanquished in the primary?
Thank God for Donald Trump.
The anti-war side has a voice against the propaganda (the fact that the Republican Primary was an obstacle to the anti-war Trump did require him to spout some populist bull crap, but that can be seen through, then the real issues can have real disputes, contrasts, and debates THANK GOD!)
Hillary can take her 56% disapproval rating all the way to the White House, but we will have to live with her warmongering long after this election ends. Good thing she won't have a free ride between now and her warpath that she plans to blaze once in office.
Don't give her a free ride through her trail of war that she plans to blaze.
Pray for Donald Trump. And if you are a believer, pray also for Hillary Clinton. Logic dictates that one of them will be the next President, and if you are thanking God for only one of them you are not only worshiping the wrong God, you are insulting the right One.
Edited by Phat, : clarification
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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