So-Called "Persecution Against Christians":

Only 18:22. Other sins are included in the plural "abominations" but homosexuality is still the only sexual sin singled out by the term abomination.abe: I'd also add that Romans 1 identifies homosexual acts as the consequence of idolatrous practices with false gods. Verses 23-26 particularly.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Talk about empty nit-picking. As I said, all the sins in Leviticus 18 are described as abominations in 18:27 and 18:29. The placement of the description in the chapter hardly changes the fact that they are all described as abominations in that chapter.

Please reread my post. I know you want to deny that there is anything especially sinful about homosexuality, and I always thought that myself, but I believe overall the Bible does single it out for special condemnation.

I have reread it - including the part you added. You are still engaged in pointless and meaningless nit-picking over Leviticus 18. It is hardly "singling" out male homosexuality to use a term which is applied to everything in the chapter.

I disagree. Only homosexuality is identified specifically by that term, no other sexual sin, and it is the only sin directly associated with demonic idolatries in Romans 1.

I would think that if male homosexuality - which is all Leviticus 18:22 addresses - were considered to be worse that the others then it would be made rather more clear.
Simply using a term which is applied to all the others as well does not do a very clear job of singling it out.Romans, anyway, describes a curse sent by God as a punishment for idolatry. And encouraging an especially bad sin seems an odd sort of punishment for God to send.

An increase in sin is very much a way God brings judgment.

Well, if you want to give God responsibility for - at least some - sins - go right ahead.

Right. And your excuse for dismissing the passages I pointed to in Genesis would be... First, you only designated personal versus sins against God (demon stuff and perhaps witchcraft, so are changing things here.Secondly, now that you've characterized it as a sexual sin and restricted the analysis to a portion of the Bible and confined it to sexual things, you've pretty much destroyed your argument about homosexuality special in some way.Secondly, you are wrong about it being uniquely applied to sexual sins. See Ezekial 22.Now you can call that proclamation, "Not law" if you want. But Ezekiel is every bit as much the word of God as the Torah. Unless your claim is that God did not really say what is written in Ez.Finally, If you want to insist on sexual sin in the Torah, I would point to Deuteronomy 24:2-4 which deals with illicit homosexual marriages that are abomination.Your argument is complete BS. I have no doubt that you are sincere, but your sincerity is not Biblical.

There's only one in Genesis and it's not about God's law, which is my subject.Right, Ezekiel is also irrelevant, the subject is God's Law as spelled out in the Books of the Law. As I said quite clearly.I said northing about "it" -- whatever that is -- being applied uniquely to sexual sins. I said, quite clearly I think, that AMONG the sexual sins ONLY homosexuality is specifically called an abomination. Yes, you have pointed out applications of the word to other sexual contexts such as remarrying a divorced wife. So there are other applications. That doesn't seem to me to change the fact that for whatever reason only homosexual sin is designated by that term among the sexual sins. And I do have to add that Romans 1 is what sets it in concrete for me. There it is presented as the consequence of sins of idolatry in such a way as to bring out the possibility of a demonic element. Which can be present in any sin of course, but most likely more entrenched or serious sins by God's standards.When Rosaria Butterfield's audience member said it's called an abomination and she seemed to miss the woman's point, I looked it up and agreed that term does seem to make it more of a sin than other sexual sins. The other sins that get called by that name here and there, such as remarrying a wife who left you and the list in Proverbs, seem to me to be more complex or special cases.abe; And "abomination" is ALWAYS the term for demonic religious practices, idolatries, witchcraft etc. /abeWhat has always interested me is the possible demonic element in "strange" sins. (which to my mind makes me optimistic about the possibility of overcoming the sin, or curing the mental illness or whatever else demons do to us. I consider the felt need to dress like the opposite sex a "strange" sin, or any compulsive behavior the person "needs" to do. And of course the really really weird ones like Jeffrey Daumer's. No I am not making an equivalent, I am trying to define a category that contains many degrees of expression. And since you are going to scream indignantly at me as you usually do, let me add in case it keeps your screaming down a bit that I can say I have some "strange" inclinations in my own psychology, which I hope are pretty well mortified by now)Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Wow.. You don't even know your own book, or are you a false witness?Jesus himself makes it perfectly clear the Old Testament Laws are in effect. It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17).This passage clearly says slaves are to bought and sold like cattle. However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)Have you made the letter of the law invalid?
This passage teaches you how to treat your slaves. If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)Do you defy your god and not follow the letter of the law? Really? You seem to have no idea what your book says, or you just simply lying or taking things out of context. When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)Bible family values! Just feed them good!How about New Testament slavery.. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)Do you serve Christ?Oh look.. here we have passages that condone murder.
Kill people who don't listen to the preacher.. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill witches.. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill homosexuals.. (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill for hitting dad.. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for cursing parents.. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)(Leviticus 20:9
Death for adultery..(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)The list goes on but lets move to Murder, Rape and Pillage. (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)Laws of rape. If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)You have a lot learn about your book and this is just the tip of the iceberg! I could go on and on if you like? Your self imposed slavery to a cult is not anyone's fault but your own. Your avidity and lust are controlled by hate. Souls of damnation in your own reality. Engreat souls have condemned yourselves for all of eternity for all to see, obtained by immoral observance of a domineering deity.

Oh wowsy wow wow wow are you confused.Slavery is NOT condoned in the Bible, it is tolerated because it is universal, AS I SAID, and laws about it are given to make life easier for the slaves. The laws you think are condoning are actually mitigating and softening and trying to introduce justice where people are otherwise likely to be cruel or unfair to the slaves.The problem with freeing a woman slave is that she will become prey to others so it is actually protecting her to keep her in her position. Selling her is another protection.You also have the usual stuppid confusion between a law meant as a just punishment and murder. And you have no sense at all of the mentality of ancient cultures.Oh well you are not at all inclined to see the truth, so forget it, believe whatever nasty lies you want.

Which is neither disputed nor the point at all.Abomination is also a term used in the Bible to describe cheating folks at the butcher shop, and lending money and requiring interest, and some bad heterosexual marriage practices. What is clear is that abomination is not a term exclusive applied to homosexuality and demonic religious practices. We can find examples in Genesis, Deuteronomy, Ezekiel and others part of the Bible including the Torah. In order to make some kind of exclusive statement, you have to apply so many disclaimers as to make the term "exclusive" meaningless.Again, the singling out of homosexuality as some kind of special sin that you are required to sanction people for while tolerantly looking the other way for other sins is not Biblical even if some Bible reading folks act as if it is.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

How is slavery "universal" in a way that, for example, adultery and homosexuality and blasphemy and murder are not? I mean, if being "universal" is a reason for not condemning something, very little would get condemned. How many sins, if any, are parochial? Now I'm worried about all those unprotected free women in my neighborhood. Should I enslave some of them for their own protection? Oh, wait, I can't do that ... turns out slavery isn't universal.

Some people can justify just about anything. If you actually believe that there is no option to protect a former slave other than keeping her in slavery... well, just wow.