The 2016 United States Presidential Election

Massively understated. Are you British?

I am not British, but I do have a soft spot for British humor. I often judge people by their ability to either recognize or recite lines from the work of Monty Python. If you call a girl a watery tart, and she replies with something about giving you a sword, then you know she is a keeper.

Obviously you missed the news that two wrongs do not make a right.You also missed the fact that Trump suggested any flag burning, whereas the Flag Protection Act 2005 would only criminalize 'incitement to violence' which was already a crime, but might be seen as a clarification of that point to close a potentially exploitable loophole. Inciting violence is bad, yes? Yes, on that we agree. The difference is that you are not a potential 'victim' of his rhetoric so to you its just embarrassing or difficult to justify. To some people the threat is destabilizing to their sense of security and wellbeing.Of course, restraining his rhetoric has another term. It's called being 'politically correct', and you elected someone who overtly stated he wasn't going to be that.If you wanted a right wing politician who restrained their rhetoric you should have voted for Clinton. Instead you voted for an ambiguous wing person who over promised to the right wing, who particularly attempted to mobilize the far-right with extreme rhetoric about torturing, deporting, murdering, and profaning foreigners. Naturally. People seem to elect presidents on legislative promises, rather than any executive ones. That said given his stated aims, and that as many people as did, supported those stated aims, and those aims were often very right wing....you can see why people are concerned. Isn't a shame that a professional liar whose job is to use editing and implication and omission to spin complete lies at the highest level, always against left institutions or people and always selling those lies to the most right wing of media groups seems to be the only person who managed to acquire this evidence. So having been caught lying, being convicted of lying in court is not a good reason to claim someone is a liar?Fox News acknowledges there is no evidence for 'millions of illegals and dead people' voting in this election. In fact, nobody even partially credible has stood by Trump's claims. It's only right-wing extremist websites that seem to be agreeing with it.Of course, so far thousands of votes awarded to Trump have been expunged as being entirely not real. These are said to be mistakes, though it's strange that the mistakes seem to be overwhelmingly in Trump's favour. This means nothing, apparently. I'm sure if it were the other way around you wouldn't be saying 'Fake Hillary Votes proves election fraud!!!!!' Yes, the right would never do that. Except for the last 8 years, of course.When his mouth shootings reveal him to be ignorant, lascivious, greedy and ungodly -- manufacturing is not needed. I have no idea why you are defending him so much. I see no evidence that he cares about you. Well of course, according to the right wing propaganda machine, Obama will take all your guns, institute Islam and kill your grandmother. Since that didn't happen I think we can dismiss the right-wing on this. All modern Presidents sell the people down the river, stop being so selective. Hahaha. Well you are safe from that. Enjoy your special relationship with Putin.What was that? $160 million went into Trump's pockets from Soros in 2004 putting the two men in close business with one another? Hrm. I guess that's not too serious.Wait, Soros and Trump were named in a suit by a competitor for illegal business practices including money laundering, fraud and bid rigging? I'm sure it means nothing. If this was Obama you'd dismiss this too, right?But Trump has been in agreement with the right-wing calls to criticize Soros though, right?

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Crowd: What about Soros?
Trump: Oh, forget Soros, leave him alone, he’s got enough problems

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{2011}Even Glenn Beck raised this as...odd:

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Anybody else find it odd that he would say let’s get off of George Soros?

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The right spent years worrying about Marxism and czars and cronyism. So they elected Trump on a ticket of a populist agenda focussing on 'uplifting' the 'oppressed' classes and who then immediately engaged in egregious nepotism, cosied up to foreign businesses and Russian dictators and threatened to deport the Jews. I mean the Muslims and Mexicans.Well done you!

Or if she bursts out, "Albatros!" in a crowded restaurant.

Flying Circus references are 40 years old. It's so strange to hear Americans talk about it as if it was 'British humour'. I mean, it kind of is, but only in the same way that Lucille Ball or Laverne & Shirley is 'American humour'.That said. its odd, not bad. A woman who berates me with ''Of course it's not fucking strawberry flavoured - it's bloody bleeding seabird bloody flavour' {including the 'u' in flavour of course!} would certainly make me smile - especially if she was 6ft tall with stubble...though then I'd hope for some 'action transvestite' lines from Eddie Izzard....Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

I also judge people by their ability to recognize or recite lines from "Young Frankenstein" which was released in 1974 (same year I was released by my mother). I consider "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles" to be as representative of American humor as other more modern examples. Those movies still influence and inspire young American comedians.

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I also judge people by their ability to recognize or recite lines from "Young Frankenstein" which was released in 1974 (same year I was released by my mother). I consider "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles" to be as representative of American humor as other more modern examples. Those movies still influence and inspire young American comedians.

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Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder huh? I always thought their films were authentic frontier gibberish /tangent

Wink wink, nudge nudge, you know?

It just keeps getting worse ... for GOP fraudsters:

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A Trump staffer was just convicted on ten charges of felony election fraud

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A staffer for Donald Trump’s campaign in Michigan which Trump narrowly won by just over 10,000 votes will be doing jail time for election fraud.

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27-year-old Brandon Hall, who was on trial for forging petition signatures for a Republican judicial candidate in 2012, has been convicted on 10 out of 10 counts of felony election fraud, and will serve up to five years in prison, according to the Grand Haven Tribune. It took the jury less than an hour to return a verdict. The Michigan Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that Hall’s case should be tried as a felony.

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Green Party candidate Jill Stein officially filed for a recount in Michigan Wednesday afternoon, after raising the money necessary to file the paperwork in just 24 hours. Stein also filed for recounts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania last week, after computer scientists suggested there may have been anomalies between ballot counts in counties that tallied them by hand versus counties that counted ballots electronically.

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Funny how all the people being charged and convicted of voter fraud and election fraud seem to be republican ...

Could that be that democrats are more experienced at it? lol

Meanwhile the recount cost in Wisconsin jumps from 1.1 Million to 3.5 Million ... and they were already the most expensive of the three states petitioned for recounts.

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Wisconsin Commission estimates recount will cost $3.5 million

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Election officials in Wisconsin estimate that a recount of the state's vote, as requested by Green Party candidate Jill Stein, will cost about $3.5 million.

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Stein, whose third-party campaign for president got only a tiny fraction of the vote nationally in November, successfully petitioned to initiate the recount last week in the state, which Donald Trump won by some 22,000 votes. Stein reports that she has raised more than $6 million in her call for a recount in Wisconsin and two other states that Trump won narrowly, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

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Referencing Wisconsin’s new strict voter ID law, Walker also asserted that state lawmakers made it easy to vote, hard to cheat in Wisconsin elections.

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Easy to vote unless you are in a minority ... this repressive law is one place where election fraud really occurred.Edited by RAZD, : .

Both Republicans and Democrats have been guilty of election fraud in various elections. What has to be proved is that there was fraud in THIS presidential election and for which candidate. So far the main clues I've seen are to fraud by the Democrats. I've seen some discussion of these claims to the effect that it will take some months to investigate these early clues. What you've done is take an irrelevant case and insinuated that it proves something about this election, which it doesn't.I hope the avenues of fraud can be discussed and controlled or eliminated in the future. It ought to be a major discussion in both parties.

What clues are those?

Then there are the people purged from voter registration lists because they have the same name as someone in another state ...

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Jim Crow returns - Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

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Election officials in 27 states, most of them Republicans, have launched a program that threatens a massive purge of voters from the rolls. Millions, especially black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters, are at risk. Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America.

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At the heart of this voter-roll scrub is the Interstate Crosscheck program, which has generated a master list of nearly 7 million names. Officials say that these names represent legions of fraudsters who are not only registered but have actually voted in two or more states in the same election a felony punishable by 2 to 10 years in prison.

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Until now, state elections officials have refused to turn over their Crosscheck lists, some on grounds that these voters are subject to criminal investigation. Now, for the first time, three states Georgia, Virginia and Washington have released their lists to Al Jazeera America, providing a total of just over 2 million names.

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The Crosscheck list of suspected double voters has been compiled by matching names from roughly 110 million voter records from participating states. Interstate Crosscheck is the pet project of Kansas’ controversial Republican secretary of state, Kris Kobach, known for his crusade against voter fraud.

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The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too 1 in 11 are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities.

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If even a fraction of those names are blocked from voting or purged from voter rolls, it could alter the outcome of next week’s electoral battle for control of the U.S. Senate and perhaps prove decisive in the 2016 presidential vote count.

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Pennsylvania To Cross-Check Voter Registrations Against Other States’

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The Corbett administration announced this week that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will join two dozen other states in a consortium designed to identify duplicate voter registrations.

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He says that beginning in January, the Pennsylvania Department of State will begin to provide data for the Interstate Voter Registration Cross Check Program. The consortium includes 24 states and is run by Kansas for no fee.

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If someone does move from Pennsylvania to another state in this consortium, we in Pennsylvania will get information that someone with the exact same unique information name, date of birth, Social Security number is registered to vote in another state.

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Interstate Crosscheck (Verified Voting Foundation)

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Back in 2005, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach who as chair of his state’s Republican Party championed an illegal voter suppression technique called caging launched a program called Interstate Crosscheck to compare voter registration data across states and ferret out evidence of double voting. The program has since expanded to 30 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), but it’s been controversial from the start. For one thing, it’s resulted in very few actual cases of fraud being referred for prosecution, as alleged cases of double voting in multiple states turned out to be clerical and other errors. One tally found that while the program has flagged 7.2 million possible double registrants, no more than four have actually been charged with deliberate double registration or double voting. Meanwhile, some states including Florida dropped out of the program due to doubts about the reliability of its data though others, including the swing state of North Carolina, joined despite those issues.

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North Carolina: Despite budget squeeze, lawmakers poised to step up anti-voter fraud spending

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This week, North Carolina state lawmakers put forward a budget plan that calls for tens of millions of dollars in program cuts sacrifices that Republican leaders say are necessary since the state will be collecting $1.57 billion less in revenues through 2015 due to hefty tax cuts approved last year. But at least one program is getting a boost in the plan proposed by the Senate: a request from the N.C. State Board of Elections, led by Kim Strach, to add three new investigators to tackle alleged voter fraud. While the Senate’s budget eliminates at least 12 positions from the Department of Health and Human Services, the latest budget plan released Thursday [pdf] calls for $201,657 in new funding for three new positions to investigate fraud in elections, discrepancies in voter registration information, including duplicate registrations, and to pursue prosecution for violations of election law. According to news reports, Strach had asked for five new investigators to focus on voter fraud. This was addition to the state board’s May 2014 hire of former FBI agent Chuck Stuber, who has been tasked with investigating voter fraud and campaign finance issues.

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How many people are named Smith? Jones? How many blacks named Washington? Brown? Jackson? How many Muslims are named Mohamed? How many hispanics are named Gonzales? Rodriguez?5,000 Most Common Last Names in the U.S. | Name Census ... seems to be fairly small numbers but they list 7.2 million names for purging from voter registration lists ... with only 4 going to court ...Four (4) cases out of 7.2 million justifies purging "suspects" from voter lists? Really?Or is this just another way to target and reduce minority voters.

Coyote asks: Actually they are too stupid to do this at the scale the GOP is doing it. LOL