The 2016 United States Presidential Election

As I said, the command to love your neighbor does not mean committing suicide in the process or hating the neighbors who would be put at risk. Yes I vilify the entire ideology of Islam, it's a satanic murderous totalitarian ideology. And yes, bringing the people the gospel would be truly loving them. Soon as you bleeding heart suicidal maniacs acknowledge that there could be GOOD reason in the case of Islam to be wary of Muslim refugees, then we can start talking about real ways of helping them. As long as you are plotting murder and subjugation of American citizens, however naively, there is nothing to discuss.Oh, about building a wall. You think Jesus is for illegal invasion of another nation?: What would make you think that? I really think all you opposers of protecting American laws and sovereignty should move to Mexico and help the people get their act together down there. I think Americans should do that anyway. Why are you sitting here in your comfy prosperous nation while all those people are suffering terrible poverty? Get off your butt and go help them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes Muslims live all over the world, it's part of the agenda of Kalifa, and if you pay attention you would see that there are lots of uprisings in various countries that are called "etbnic" that are really fomented by the Muslims. They don't YET commit all that violence here. So far just a few of them have jumped the gun and committed some murders. Wait until they have the population they have in France where they are torching the cars, and in Sweden where they are raping the women.It's really amazing to consider that what was once a reasonable objection to oppression has become the oppressor. Satan is so clever.

No it's not. It's about taking the entire world for Allah, that means among other tactics dispersing throughout the world, building up the Muslim population and taking over all the other countries of the world. That IS the agenda of Islam. You guys are so naive who think it is just another benign religion. It is very possible that the reason Muslim nations reject the refugees is so that they will overwhelm the West. Muslim leaders have said clearly that this is the ultimate agenda. There are actually many sources of this information out there. Try Ramon Bennett's book. QUOTES from MUSLIM LEADERS. Straight from the horse's mouth. Sheesh. Of course, the most radical consider the less radical to be weak and in some sense not truly Muslim. The problem for us is that Islam itself is the danger even if only some Muslims are radicalized at any given time. Why do you all deny this? Would you bring a sleeping python into your home? What happens when it wakes up? Yes, this is a real dilemma because these are real suffering people. The question is how to help them without denying that Islam is evil. All you guys have to offer is denial. Try acknowledging the real danger so something realistic can come of it. I'm not holdng my breath. You've all been so brainwashed I know any efforts I make are hopeless and only get me vilified. All this is God's judgment on the West and if we don't repent we're going to be overrun by enemies. Oh well, if that's the plan that's the plan. That is a BIG mistake on your part. That's a lie. You are severely deceived. The Bible supports private property without exception. Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet. That says it. Jesus is God. He must be in favor of private property. Any objection to it as an absolute right comes from anti-Christian doctrines like Marxism. Love for God is not served by stealing from people. Individually we may be called to give up all kinds of things as we feel God leading us. But as a principle of the Law of God, we are to protect the personal property, personal freedom and all the rest of it, or the world would be a violent chaotic place. Which it just about is thanks to just that sort of thinking that refuses to respect the sovereignty of the individual. I strenuously disagree. I think you are twisting Christian doctrine, probably thanks to all the leftist propaganda out there. The message I am pushing is a message of respect for individual rights and yes, nationalism, as the best system for protecting individual rights. You can't blend nations together which are based on conflicting ideologies. There are evil ideologies out there. Your rhetoric is Leftist, not Christian. "intolerance? The intolerance comes from those who hate Chrsitianity and America. You are seriously deluded. Self preservation, of course, fear perhaps -- the world has become more evil than ever. Judgmental?: Listen to all you haters at EvC. Listen to the haters who oppose Trump. Listen to yourself. Love, yes. Love first respects the individual and the individual's rights. At the very least you have confused the stance of the individual toward God with the protections needed by a nation in order to provide for the peace of the citizens. You are free to give up all your rights and become a Catholic style saint if you like. But you can't ask that of a nation. There is a distinction between God's dealings with the individual and His government of the world. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I suppose you have some (actually that not true, I know you never actually have evidence for anything) for your assertion that more Muslims in France torch cars than Christians in France torch cars or that more Muslims in Sweden rape women than Christians in Sweden rape women?

Who says that Muslim countries are not helping their own people. Did you type that without checking? As an example, the bulk of the Syrian refugees are settling in Muslim countries. Understandably that is their preference. The problem is that there are just too many of them for those countries to absorb humanely.Syrian Refugees

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An estimated 11 million Syrians have fled their homes since the outbreak of the civil war in March 2011. Now, in the sixth year of war, 13.5 million are in need of humanitarian assistance within the country. Among those escaping the conflict, the majority have sought refuge in neighbouring countries or within Syria itself. According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), 4.8 million have fled to Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, and 6.6 million are internally displaced within Syria. Meanwhile about one million have requested asylum to Europe. Germany, with more than 300,000 cumulated applications, and Sweden with 100,000, are EU’s top receiving countries.

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Wikipedia includes a detailed breakdown of where the refugees are going. Clearly the idea that Muslim countries are not helping their own is complete shite.Refugees of the Syrian civil war - WikipediaEdited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Coming from the only person in the thread that vilifies foreigners for doing nothing more than attempting to escape conditions no human should have to endure, your proposal seems a bit hollow and more than a bit self serving. Where is Christ in what you say?

I'm a little confused about which refugees and which Muslim nations the two of you are discussing here. Where do you think the overwhelming majority of refugees from the Syrian war are? They are in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. The Jordanian government is spending about US$2.5 billion a year on Syrian refugees according to World Bank estimates. This is dwarfed by the amount the Turkish government has spent.Not that the Muslim world are all throwing their arms open with glee; any more than the rest of the world. Everyone's happier when something is someone else's problem.

I'm glad to hear it. My information is rather old. But still a million is too much for the West to have to absorb. I knew Jordan and Turkey had taken some in but that Turkey is more of a jumping-off place into Europe. No?

If you are talking about the people crossing the border from the south, are you aware that they are encouraged and aided by the Catholic Church? They are even invited by the Catholic Church to make the trip in the first place. They are aware before they start their trek that the Catholic Church welcomes them into America. And when they get here they only have to find the nearest Catholic Church to be helped in any number of ways to transgress our laws and benefit from American taxpayers' money. That adds to my "intolerance" of the Catholic Church right there. What right do they have to impose millions of Catholics on America? It serves their political interests against those of the rest of us. Why don't THEY go to Mexico and help them out there? Christ does not encourage lawbreakers. Forgive them yes, but they have to repent and make restitution. The Catholic Church violates all the commandments. Where is Christ there? He's not.

Your "information" was never correct. The first place the refugees went was to nearby countries. Apparently, there is no number of Muslims too small to be too many for the West to absorb. Sigh. Turkey is hosting about 2.7 million refugees. Yes there are some passing through to Europe, but that is because of Turkey's geography and not because Turkey is not hosting their share. There is absolutely no factual basis for your belief.

Your hatred for the Catholic Church is well known.

It's hard to love an institution that has murdered millions out of TRUE intolerance, since they can't stand to have anyone who disagrees with them in the world. It's just another totalitarian ideology like Islam that seeks to rule the world. Bringing in Catholics to overwhelm America is one of their strategies. I did a blog post on it recently, using a book by an expert on population control, on how the Vatican encourages overpopulation throughout the world by refusing all means of birth control. There is a chapter on how they push Mexico's overpopulation into America. Both Muslims and Catholics need to leave their evil institutions.

Refugees are free to move back to their country of origin when it is safe enough. I am arguing no such thing. I am arguing that Christianity has a long history of attacking other religions, setting up ideologic theocracies, and committing genocide in the name of religion. I find it interesting that you ignore that. Christianity didn't found this nation. We are a constitutional republic, not a theocracy. Same could be said of Christians in this very country.

Are you really this unaware of Christians doing just that throughout history?

The instances of it by true Christians are few and far between and clearly not justified by Christian teaching. The Vatican/papacy is not Christian, it has murdered millions. Islam was forced on Arabs at swordpoint by Mohammed, and that's how it continues in the world. Both systems only tolerate other beliefs when they don't have the power to do away with them. They are both always working to accumulate that power so then they can do away with all dissidents. Happy happy. Of course you all attack ME, the messenger. But I'm used to it.