I guess I should appreciate that you've taken time to try to understand my point of view, such as by listening to Alex Jones,
Thank you.
but you just sound like everybody else here, Mod.
I'm sorry, I'd rather hoped I was kinder and more patient with you than most people. But yes, even my liberal European friends consider me a 'lefty'. Hardly my fault, though. The right-wing has explicitly legislated against my interests all of my life. Right wing folks constantly denigrate me and my tastes. They've campaigned to silence my perspective, such that teachers couldn't talk about queer issues in school, I wasn't allowed to marry someone who had a penis, and television almost entirely ignore my perspective except as the butt of mean jokes. I've been beaten and threatened with lethal weapons because of my taste in music, I mean genitals. They say my philosophy is dangerous or evil, they have put barriers against me in employment, in social affairs, in life.
How could I have turned out any other way? The right exiled me from their midst. Not only would I not want to spend much time around right-wing people since they just insult and denigrate me and my friends on the basis of my personal preferences in fashion and sex - not on the content of my character - but they have made it clear they don't want me around, sometimes they don't want me alive.
I hope you have an ounce of empathy such that you can see why I am the way I am and why I dislike the right wing so much. It irks me that no matter how hard I try to overcome my biases and treat you with respect and dignity you so regularly resort to rudeness. It makes it hard for you to not 'sound like everybody else' on the right-wing.
Thought I should confirm that you are right that I've objected to Obama in the way you describe:
Thank you again.
I consider Trump's election to be some kind of miracle, God's mercy in a very dark time, which I can hope against hope will turn back the takeover and prove that the American system does work, but obviously the Left isn't going to just accept it as good Americans should, they're going to fight it with all they have.
And this is America's problem. You have decided to ruthlessly fight over your differences, denounce one another as unpatriotic destroyers of the American Way. The divisiveness of America is practically civil war level, but it is not functioning in an adversarial system kind of way, you are just undermining each other and consequently not making any progress towards making America great again.
If the left-wing's compassion for the downtrodden and poverty-stricken could be combined with the right-wing's determination that a strong economy will help ourselves and others...you could be Great.
I don't see Trump uniting the nation, just deepening the divides. Sure, he's pushing your buttons, so to speak, but because he is denigrating, attacking, undermining or undoing the 'lefties' work.
Forgot to mention his Kenyan grandmother who said she was there when he was born. Of course they rapidly shut her up but she said it, we all heard it.
That's not what happened though, is it?
When you are talking to a 86 year old Kenyan woman through a translator over the phone, it is imperative you clarify important points because a lot can be lost in translation.
quote:
Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
Seems like an easy enough question but foreign languages use different grammar.
Take the classic example:
quote:
Der Hund beit den Mann
and
quote:
Den Mann beit der Hund.
IF you were basically competent at German you might translate these as
quote:
The dog bites the man
and
The man bites the dog
But you'd be wrong. They both mean 'The dog bites the man'.
So here is what was asked of the old lady:
quote:
Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
Even in English this sentence can mean two different things, the way it was intended and like this:
quote:
Was she present, when he was born, in Kenya?
to be read with the meaning:
Was she in Kenya when he was born
If the ambiguity exists in English, it can mean the translator picks the wrong way of translating it. Especially if we include the problems with the word 'present'. It's a funny word such that it can be interpreted as 'there' or 'here'.
The follow up question dissolved the ambiguity and she answered:
quote:
No, Obama was not born in Mombassa. He was born in America.
Of course, you are guilty here of exactly what you accuse the left of doing. Stripping the context and making it seem like a clear and obvious 'slip up' that proves Obama is unlawfully President.
This was hardly 'trying to shut her up'. You can't rely on the translator to prove your point, then allege the translator tried to silence or cover for the old ladies mistake. If the translator had intended to do that, why translate the old lady saying the opposite in the first place?
The answer, that an old lady who doesn't speak English answered yes to a question she didn't understand that was translated for her. She explicitly denied being present for his birth, so the only reasonable interpretation is that she thought she was asking if she was in Kenya when Obama was born. You can tell from the way the question was worded in full (it was a long compound question, that had the assumption that Obama was born in Kenya built into it) that the questioner was hoping to capture something of this nature.
But again, this is my point, you believe the most tenuous nonsense when it called Obama's elligibility into question - but dismiss outright as 'lies' suggestions of Trump's unsuitability. It's completely counterproductive to achieving anything useful.
Still, it seems that you'd still support him if he privatised Native American lands for oil profits so I guess we'll never see eye to eye regarding Trump's suitability. Here's hoping the left are as wrong as you claim, because if they are only half right it's going to be a rough ride.
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