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Message 886 of 892 (797244)
01-16-2017 3:34 AM


More on Russian Hacking
At this point I believe that McAfee was talking only about the identification of "Guccifer 2.0" as a Russian - and not about the evidence that the Russians actually hacked the DNC. "Guccifer 2.0" released information from the hacks but does not have to be a member of either of the teams that actually extracted the information.
Some more, [url=www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-38610402]

The evidence for the latter is rather better. Again, Crowdstrike, the FBI and the CIA all agree on the two groups responsible, identified by their methods.


    
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Message 887 of 892 (797891)
01-29-2017 1:05 AM


BUMP
Things are happening elsewhere, that belong in this topic.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that©.

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Message 888 of 892 (797902)
01-29-2017 8:24 AM
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01-29-2017 1:05 AM


from Some evidence for voter fraud
from Some evidence for voter fraud

Coyote Message 22:

I think a lot of votes were lost to democrats and Clinton because of identity politics.

When the main emphasis is on what bathroom someone uses and which of 97 different genders they are, while fundamental issues such as jobs and economics are given little attention, a lot of working people will look for better alternatives.

The east/west coast vs. heartland divide seems to reflect this pretty clearly.

RAZD Message 23

The Clinton campaign was "Vote for me or you will get Trump" and the working people looked at Clinton and said "nothing for me there, might as well be Trump" ... Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania.

Enjoy

Coyote Message 24:

The Clinton campaign was "Vote for me or you will get Trump" and the working people looked at Clinton and said "nothing for me there, might as well be Trump" ... Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania.

Correct. It was vote for a known quantity vs. hope and change! lol

Except that Trump was not a known quantity by any possible metric, and Hillary was for maintaining the status quo.

Hope and change was killed by 6 years of toxic republican obstruction to anything Obama. In the first 2 years we got the ACA passed, then the do nothing GOP stopped government.

Now they are the "undo anything Obama" government, and have not done anything to move this country forward (they never will either).

Enjoy

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Message 889 of 892 (828657)
02-22-2018 7:45 AM


Sanders Denies Russian Assistance
From yesterday's Politico: Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference

In a denial striking in its similarity to Trump denials, Bernie Sanders denied Russian assistance in the 2016 Presidential primary:

quote:
The Vermont senator was adamant that he did not benefit from Russian bots urging voters to support him. “I did not know that Russian bots were promoting my campaign. Russian bots were not promoting my campaign,” he said.

He also somehow believes it was Clinton's responsibility and within her power to halt Russian interference:

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...Sanders and his former campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, presented a series of self-serving statements that were not accurate, and that track with efforts by Trump and his supporters to undermine the credibility of the Mueller probe.

“The real question to be asked is what was the Clinton campaign [doing about Russian interference]? They had more information about this than we did,” Sanders said in the interview with Vermont Public Radio.


What we're seeing is human nature in action: "I'm responsible for anything good that happened, and anything bad that happened was somebody else's fault."

--Percy


    
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Message 890 of 892 (828658)
02-22-2018 9:27 AM


An example of gerrymandering in Pennsylvania
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently redrew the congressional district map. For any who doubt the egregious, overt and blatantly biased nature of Republican gerrymandering and its intention to render as many Democratic votes impotent as possible, here's an example:

This is a map of the old district 5:

This is a map of the new district 7:

Gerrymandering should be illegal because it interferes with the democratic process even more directly than a Russian Facebook bot. Why it's not illegal I don't understand. Both parties seem to accept that the party in power will gerrymander. One thing that's clear: if an election district resembles a drunken effort at drawing a snake or dragon, then it's gerrymandered. Such obvious gerrymandering should be illegal. The only reason gerrymandering has become a topic lately is because the Republicans were the first to widely apply computer technology to the problem of redrawing districts so as to maximize Republican advantage.

While gerrymandering isn't illegal, it *can* be challenged. Unfortunately it cannot be challenged because it advantages one political party at the expense of another. There has to be something else at stake, for instance, reducing minority representation.

--Percy


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Message 891 of 892 (828728)
02-23-2018 12:00 AM
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02-22-2018 9:27 AM


Re: An example of gerrymandering in Pennsylvania
While gerrymandering isn't illegal, it *can* be challenged. Unfortunately it cannot be challenged because it advantages one political party at the expense of another.

Your statement may be premature. The Supreme Court has indicated a willingness to consider partisan gerrymandering, but they have not seen an objective standard for what should an unconstitutional gerrymander. What that seems to mean is that the more conservative folk on the court are going to accept some level of vote stacking.

There are a couple of cases on the Supreme Court's docket that will present arguments for an objective standard. Let's see what happens. I have to admit that I am not that hopeful.


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Message 892 of 892 (830163)
03-23-2018 12:59 PM


More evidence of Russian interference
The “Guccifer 2.0” hacker, who leaked the material stolen from the DNC - has been identified - as a GRU agent.

Ars Technica


    
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