The Church And Sexual Expression

Phat writes:

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What I am suggesting is what the Pastor has suggested in this video--that there is a different role for same gender attraction than merely being encouraged to biologically "love" your spouse...and if a spouse of the same gender is the only solution.

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This is gobbledygook.Exactly what is it you think gay people do that straight people don't? Or vice versa? Are you seriously claiming that gay people "love" differently than straight people?

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It is my contention that same gender attraction can be used as a tool for a deeper love---such as Jesus has and had, that can be used to nurture the church as a group---and that traditional religion has been shooting itself in the foot for not recognizing the role that can be played by such individuals.

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Are you talking about Platonic love?Let me clue you in: That isn't "gay." If you want to talk about comity and friendship and all the rest of fraternity, then by all means talk about it.Why you gotta drag gay people into this? Yes, it's true that gay people, out of necessity, form their own families out of nothing but desire to be a family. When the family that raised you rejects you because you're gay, you turn to others to create the family you need. But that's true of anybody who is rejected by the people they thought were their family. And as more and more people come to accept being gay as something to be as celebrated as being straight, then your claim that the church needs to look to gay people won't make much sense.What on earth are you talking about?

Phat writes:

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The only revelation that I have is that all love starts and ends with Jesus Christ.

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(*blink!*)You did not just say that, did you?Did you honestly just argue that atheists don't love? That Jews don't love? That two-thirds of the entire planet doesn't love?Because none of them have any connection to this "Jesus Christ" object you're talking about. They seem to be able to love just fine without it.What is it that makes you think you know better than they do about their love?

Phat responds to me:

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Did you honestly just argue that atheists don't love? That Jews don't love? That two-thirds of the entire planet doesn't love?

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Basically, yes. I am arguing that many people do not love enough.

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The irony is strong in you, isn't it? Do you honestly not see how hateful that attitude is?

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Without Jesus Christ, life itself would not occur.

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So two-thirds of the planet isn't alive? Because they don't have any connection to this "Jesus Christ" object you are referring to.What on earth makes you think you know better than they do about love? Especially to allow yourself the arrogance to say that you love "more" than they do?

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Im just sharing my belief. I can't make you agree with me nor can I make you love me or even like me.

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So your belief in your "loving god" requires you to be an ass? You need to pay attention to your own holy book:Love is patient. That means when other people are telling you about their lives, you listen to them and don't contradict them.Love is kind. That means when other people are telling you about their lives, you don't pretend that you are in a position to judge them.It does not envy. And yet, here you are clearly upset that other people are capable of finding joy in their lives without this "Jesus Christ" object.It does not boast. And yet, here you are boasting about how life and love only exist because of this "Jesus Christ" object.It is not proud. And yet, here you are crowing about you have the bestest, most lovingest love, the most lifey-est life.It is not rude. And yet, you have the unmitigated gall to tell other people they "do not love enough."It is not self-seeking. The irony in you is strong, isn't it?It keeps no records of wrongs. And yet, here you are....Love does not delight in evil. And yet, here you are, doing the very evil you claim to not delight in.But rejoices with the truth. And yet, here you are, denying the truth of other people's lives because it doesn't fit in with your belief.It always protects. And yet, here you are, seeking to destroy others because you cannot see their love.Always trusts. And yet, here you are, distrusting others for having the temerity to live and love without your "Jesus Christ" object. Just as fully. Just as deeply.Always hopes. And yet, here you are, denying others the very hope you say you wish for them.Always preserves. And yet, here you are, destroying that which you claim to seek to keep.I'll say it yet again:The irony is strong in you.