The Church And Sexual Expression

Why on earth you think anyone needs to watch a video to know that that's obviously true is beyond me. It just highlights how fucked up religious 'thinking' is.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Because society has not grown up enough to understand the difference between attraction, the purpose of the attraction, and the ways that the attraction can be expressed.
  —Phat

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Says who? Everyone on the planet knows and understands this.

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Perhaps you can make an argument that it is not up to the church to define purpose and that the individual can and should be free to define it for themseves

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You can bet your arse I can

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..but my argument is that society does not encourage people to get deeper with their emotions. Our motto in society is simply If it feels good, do it. Why do you think we have so many divorces?

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I hope you're speaking for yourself here - it's not something I recognise. We have so many divorces because people change over time and they now can.

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It is because heterosexuals are taught that man is an animal and in nature, a male can and does often have several different partners.

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Phat, you do a lot of twaddle at times...

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My critics will only point out that churches have no right to determine what should even means.

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Yeh.

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My counterargument is that society needs to challenge itself to get deeper than mere biological urges and that there is a unique purpose for such urges.

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I have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be involved in some sort of personal revelation.

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I don't think so. If everyone on the planet knew the meaning of love and of relationships and understood it fully, there would be no wars.
  —phat

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That is one enormous non-sequiter.

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Of course where you and I differ and will argue is that you think that people are born with no character defects and what we do and how we behave is essentially normal....whereas I believe that people are not born without flaws and that we are expected to work them out.

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It's probably best to stick to what you believe. Tell me, what flaws are newborn babies born with?

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You can argue against this fact, but all that you have left is humanity--and you wont fully express your love for humanity without an insight deeper than mere biology.
  —Phat

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What do you mean 'all' I have is humanity? That's what we are.You've some crazy strawman idea in your head that appears to be making you think that people can't have meaningful, long term relationships without this god nonsense or that the alternative is a purely mechanistic view of people.It's dumb, offensive and utterly wrong.

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Man is not God, nor are we our own highest ideal. Perhaps atheists would tend to embrace objectivism more due to their ideal conception.
  —Phat

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What? Are you losing the plot? You keep saying things that don't actually mean anything. They're just strings of preachy sounding words.

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They are all pruny and wrinkly and smell bad and spit up and can't control their bowels and lose their hair and ...
  —Jar

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Sounds like my late mother-in-law.

It sound to me like you're talking to yourself.If you're not, then you need to take a totally different approach because I for one think what you're saying is self-obsessed and delusional.People outside your religious bubble get on just fine loving each other in whatever way suits them and don't need any permission or instruction from archaic institutions about how to live their lives. That dreadful era has passed for us, thank god.