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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: The funny thing is that historically Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of Israel. Even during the period of consolidated Kingship Israel and Judah were still independent Nation States much like England & Scotland under James I & VI.Jerusalem was the capital of Judah. Trump is merely playing the tune his base wants to hear. He may cause more problems in the world, however...due to his desire to remain in power.
The real reason Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel was because he feared losing his evangelical voter base some notable quotes:
quote: Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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But is that dementia going to be used for political purposes?
His actions are clearly criminal and he should be marched out in handcuffs. But progressive radio's take on it is that the Repugnicans will proclaim sudden-onset dementia and quietly remove him via the 25th Amendment, leaving the rest of their corrupt operatives firmly in place, albeit ("all be it"; even a native English speaker has problems with that one) with an extreme fundamentalist Christian now at the helm firmly in place to commit unspeakable horrors in the name of his god. Eliminating Pence would leave us with even greater evil: Paul Ryan as President.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Trump is merely playing the tune his base wants to hear. He may cause more problems in the world, however...due to his desire to remain in power.
The real reason Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel was because he feared losing his evangelical voter base Well the very reason why that evangelical base wants Jerusalem to be declared the capital of Israel is the same reason they are such fervent supports of the state of Israel: all of that is supposed to lead to the End Times and the Second Coming. Peace in the Middle East not only has nothing to do with anything, but it is the exact opposite of what they want. That evangelical base quite literally wants everything to fall apart and for the shit to start flying in all directions. They quite literally want everything to fall apart at the seams and Donald Trump is the man to make all that happen for them!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
America’s policy on Jerusalem is laid out in The Jerusalem Embassy Act 1995 passed by the Senate (93-5) and the House (374-37) on 24 October 1995.
https://www.congress.gov/104/plaws/publ45/PLAW-104publ45.pdf The Act states: SEC. 3. TIMETABLE. Presidents until now have issued a waiver every six months delaying this action.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr. |
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Trump is not the only senior member of the administration to cultivate the Christian right. Vice President Mike Pence, who could be seen on TV standing behind Trump as the embassy announcement was made, with a reverent glow to his face, had pressed for a move to Jerusalem. And backing also came from Nikki Haley, the ambassador to the UN who tries her best to match Trump on hawkish rhetoric about smiting America’s enemies. She avidly courted the evangelical vote while Governor of South Carolina. OK, who here has forgotten Trump's offer to Kasich to make him the most powerful VP in history? Kasich would wield all the power of the Presidency while Trump just served as a figurehead, his own personal particular strength (one that we all wish he would restrict himself to, disregarding Pence). Who could be so deluded as to believe that Trump hadn't made the exact same offer to Pence? And that we are seeing the consequences of that exact same offer? I received my fundamentalist Christian training as a fellow traveller of the Jesus Freaks of 1970 (right at that movement's epicenter at Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, CA). The only thing that obsessed them more than demonology was the End Times. Hilarious reading for a non-believer (AKA "a normal"), but a nightmare when those extremely deluded idiots gain political power. They have a checklist of what must happen leading up to the Second Coming (a point of contention even with their political wing, premillennialism versus post millennnialism). The establishment of the state of Israel was one check-mark. Then the establishment of Jerusalem as the capital of that state is another (I am kind of weak on that one, being nearly five decades removed), followed by the rebuilding of the Temple (much stronger on that one). Basically, we have people in power whose religious intent is to create instability and war in the Middle East, all in service to their god. To quote from Firefly, "We're humped!"
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1045 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
It's Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution. Apparently not only can the cabinet remove an unfit president, so can Congress: "...or of such other body as Congress may by law provide...". Representative Jamie D. Raskin (Dem-Md) has written a letter proposing a committee be formed to study the president's fitness to serve. It has 50 House co-sponsors. Read about it here in this Jennifer Rubin editorial in the Washington Post: And about the 25th Amendment Based on my reading of the 25th Amendment, Congress does not appear to have any power to remove an unfit President - only the vice-President does. The "such other body as Congress may by law provide" only comes into play in the event that the VP declares the President unfit, and the President disagrees.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
caffeine writes: Based on my reading of the 25th Amendment, Congress does not appear to have any power to remove an unfit President - only the vice-President does. The "such other body as Congress may by law provide" only comes into play in the event that the VP declares the President unfit, and the President disagrees. You're right that Pence has to be on board, but the point is that it isn't just Pence and the cabinet that has the power to remove an unfit President. It could be Pence and "such other body as Congress may by law provide." That editorial I cited, And about the 25th Amendment was calling attention to a letter proposing that a committee be formed to study this option. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Trading and inept clown for Pence or Ryan does not look like a wise move.
Let's keep Trump as President and simply ignore what he says.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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From Trump accusers call for Congress to investigate sexual harassment allegations against him:
quote: The article contains a good video of the statements of the three women. --Percy
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
'The president denies any and all accusations of sexual misconduct in the past or present. ' The president has stated that anyone who comes forward with allegations of any kind is a liar and should be discredited immediately as such..' ~Sarah H. Sanders probably
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
I couldn't find those quotes - maybe you're paraphrasing? Is that what "~Sarah H. Sanders" means?
Anyway, your post brought to mind thoughts that I don't have the time to express right now, but I thought I would call people's attention to this New York Times Editorial:
The editorial reminds us of the lesson learned long ago during WWII, that a people who blindly follow their leaders without questioning orders live in danger of trudging down dangerous paths and of committing terrible crimes:
quote: This is a paragraph that Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and all Trump supporters everywhere, should read every day, and then follow the directive it clearly implies: to follow your conscience and your humanity first before any orders. Members of the Trump administration and the Republican party are guilty of complicity on a colossal scale. They have sold out their humanity for a mere pinch of power. Trump supporters are complicit, too, but who can fathom their complicity for they gain nothing, having sold their humanity for a pocketful of mumbles that are nothing but lies and deceit and misogyny and racism and a sellout of our national resources, not to mention higher taxes and down the road reduced Social Security and Medicare to pay for the huge deficits we're about to run. My opinion of yesterday's Alabama election results runs contrary to most editorials in the main stream media - I think it provides little hope. This is not a case of a state rejecting Trumpian values, but of a large turnout just barely managing a win in a state that mostly supports lies, deceit, misogyny, racism and ignoring constitutional law. And there would have been no win had it not been for the added dimension of a scandal involving young girls. [AbE]An editorial was just posted to the Washington Post that is largely very positive but in one of it's paragraphs echoes what I just said and is worth quoting here:: From Donald Trump to Roy Moore, the difference #MeToo and a year makes: quote:[/AbE] The red states remain red, and their residents will vote against decency and humanity if it means (to name the positions they hold most in common) a smaller government and opposition to separation of church and state. Racism? Fine, as long as you're against LGBT. Misogyny? Fine, as long as you're against abortion. Religious discrimination? Fine, as long as you're against Islam. Welching on DACA (dreamers)? Fine, as long as you're against immigration. Are these people even human? In the years before WWII Hitler (sorry, Godwin) led Germany into an economic Renaissance, and Germans were more than willing to avert their eyes to the usurpation and abuse of power under Hitler, even after Kristallnacht. Within a year Hitler was invading Poland and the war was on. Trump is presiding over an economic recovery that began long, long before while Obama was president. After only a year in office he cannot take credit for the economy. But given how friendly Trump is to business what we will see is increasingly good economic numbers for both the country and for businesses while the bulk of the US population sees little benefit. --Percy Edited by Percy, : AbE.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And once you give away the National Lands it is nearly impossible to get them back. You can't undo rape and that is what is happening today in the US.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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After giving a full endorsement to Roy Moore and dragging most of the rest of his party into doing the same, Trump tweets the following:
quote: Of course, we all recall that after endorsing Strange, Trump was pretty pissed at McConnell for convincing him to back a loser and that Trump immediately jumped on the Moore bandwagon. Trump now has the sack to take credit for prescience. Subtract the spin, and what we have here is that Trump backed two losers when he could easily have stayed on the sidelines and gotten the same result. Plus his backing of Moore has resulted in a spotlight being shined on Trump's own harassment of women. That's not a win by any stretch. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
You underestimate Trump's ability to stretch (the truth). To him, everything is a win. He was right that Moore was not the best candidate. He was right again when it looked like Moore would win. And he was right for the third time when Moore didn't win. That's not a win by any stretch. If Trump is defeated in 2020, he'll use the Bart Simpson Defence: "I could have been re-elected but I didn't wanna."
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