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Percy
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Message 1651 of 1758 (826712)
01-08-2018 10:04 AM


Stephen Miller Speaks His Mind
Who is Stephen Miller, you might ask? He's Trump's senior advisor for policy. What does a senior advisor for policy do? As near as I can tell he advises the president on political positions, actions and initiatives. For example, according to Wikipedia, he worked with with Jeff Sessions and Steve Bannon "to enact policies restricting immigration and cracking down on sanctuary cities." In response to court rulings on the travel ban he has asserted that the president's powers override the judiciary. He has ties to white nationalists.

Stephen Miller is also very argumentative, assertive, and verbally aggressive, as seen here in this very recent interview on CNN Jake Tapper's show State of the Union. I know it's 12 minutes, but watch it, you won't regret it because of the insight it provides of the kind of person who is giving toady advice to our president:

Apparently, after the interview the exchanges continued, Miller was asked to leave the set, refused, and was eventually escorted off by security. Let me repeat that. A senior policy advisor to the president of the United States behaved so badly that he had to be escorted off a premises by security.

--Percy

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Message 1652 of 1758 (826718)
01-08-2018 12:09 PM
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01-08-2018 10:04 AM


Re: Stephen Miller Speaks His Mind
Stephen Miller is also very argumentative, assertive, and verbally aggressive ...
Apparently, after the interview the exchanges continued, Miller was asked to leave the set, refused, and was eventually escorted off by security. ...

“A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.”
― Winston S. Churchill

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Message 1653 of 1758 (826723)
01-08-2018 1:54 PM
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01-08-2018 12:09 PM


Re: Stephen Miller Speaks His Mind
I'm going off-topic...

RAZD writes:

“A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.”
― Winston S. Churchill

Misattributed quotations are so common that I looked this one up. Every page I checked on the Internet credited Churchill, though some said it was only attributed to Churchill. This page had the most detail, finding the quote in Esar’s Comic Dictionary in 1943, and not finding it attributed to Churchill until 1952. Bartlett's Familiar Quotations includes it, but where it might normally say, "Letter to so-and-so" or "Speech to House of Commons" or some such it just says "Saying," while not defining what that means.

My guess? Churchill never said it, and if he did say it then he didn't originate it.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 1654 of 1758 (826724)
01-08-2018 2:18 PM


Lindsey Graham is a Pod Person
During the 2016 election Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) called Trump a "xenophobic, race-baiting religious bigot." He also called Trump "a kook", "crazy" and "unfit for office." Today on ABC's The View Graham reversed course and said, ""No, I don't think he's a xenophobic, race-baiting, religious bigot — as president."

What evidence is this Senator looking at? If there's anything that's eminently obvious is that Trump is the same person he was during the election, even more so. If characterization as a "xenophobic, race-baiting, religious bigot" was true in 2016 then it was just as true in 2017 and 2018. My God, he just ordered 200,000 Salvadorans out of the country. That's xenophobic. He's still grumbling about the courts overturning his Muslim travel bans - that's religious bigotry. Then there's his comments about "very fine people on both sides" after Charlottesville, and that's race-baiting.

So what evidence is Senator Graham looking at? Obviously no evidence at all. He's become another Trump toady, another Trump pod person.

Source: Graham: I no longer think Trump is a ‘race-baiting religious bigot’

Sidenote: Graham is one of the two senators who wrote a letter requesting that Christopher Steele, the former British MI6 operative who authored the Trump dossier, be criminally investigated.

--Percy


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Message 1655 of 1758 (826728)
01-08-2018 4:55 PM
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01-08-2018 1:54 PM


Re: Stephen Miller Speaks His Mind
"I really didn’t say everything I said." ~Yogi Berra

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1656 of 1758 (826731)
01-08-2018 5:51 PM


A Couple Opinion Pieces from the Chicago Tribune
Two columns, one of them funny, the other deadly serious, both well worth reading.

First the funny one: Mueller vs. Trump: Time for the White House to 'Unleash the Genius'

And now the serious one: My lawyers got Trump to admit 30 times, under oath, that he lied

I'm going to have to start paying more attention to the Chicago Tribune.

--Percy


    
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Message 1657 of 1758 (826732)
01-08-2018 5:57 PM
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01-08-2018 10:04 AM


Re: Stephen Miller Speaks His Mind
Percy writes:

Apparently, after the interview the exchanges continued, Miller was asked to leave the set, refused, and was eventually escorted off by security. Let me repeat that. A senior policy advisor to the president of the United States behaved so badly that he had to be escorted off a premises by security.

In one moment, Miller is demeaning the veracity and honesty of what CNN reports on. The next moment, Miller wants to be on CNN so badly that they have to get security to remove him from the set.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.


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Message 1658 of 1758 (826733)
01-08-2018 6:53 PM
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01-08-2018 5:57 PM


Re: Stephen Miller Speaks His Mind
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

That ain't no lady.


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1659 of 1758 (826746)
01-09-2018 7:55 AM


Best Response I've Seen to Trump's Mental Claims
Found this in The Very Stable Genius in the Very Stable White House. It's the obvious response to Trump's claim that he's "really smart" and a "very stable genius":

If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.

--Percy


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Message 1660 of 1758 (826747)
01-09-2018 8:04 AM


Stephen Colbert Interview with Michael Wolff, Author of "Fire and Fury"
Here's the YouTube copy of the Stephen Colbert Interview with Michael Wolff, Author of "Fire and Fury". I've seen several interviews with Wolff, and he's often bumbled his explanations of why his book should be believed. If you want a good sense of how Wolff resolved the many conflicting accounts he gathered from White House staff, this is the best explanation I've seen him offer so far.

--Percy


    
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Message 1661 of 1758 (826779)
01-09-2018 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1645 by Percy
01-06-2018 5:36 PM


Re: Historical Parallels and Similarities?
There's no meaningful difference in a war between Cro-Magnons beating each other over the heads with clubs over prime hunting grounds and modern armies clashing over oil fields. The specifics and details are inconsequential compared to the overriding repeating patterns.

Well that's just silly. Is there any difference between Trump and Obama? They're both Presidents and they both speak - what does it really matter if there are different words?

If your only point was that there will always be conflict, then it's not a response to the original article, since I very much he was arguing anything so obvious. 'People engaging in conflict' is not a pattern; and the specifics and details are enormously consequential. The specifics and details are what decide whether this or that conflict will erupt into a shooting war or not; and if so how that war plays out and what are it's consequences. Is it a short, sharp affair; a decades-long conflict; localised, global? These things matter.

You may see no meaningful difference between two people getting into a fistfight and a global nuclear apocalypse, but you would understand if no one else agrees with you.


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Message 1662 of 1758 (826791)
01-09-2018 3:51 PM
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01-09-2018 12:40 PM


Re: Historical Parallels and Similarities?

When we separate our own personal safety and welfare in engaging in a physical conflict from that of the masses, we lose sight of what it means to wage war. This image of one allied WWI artillery bombardment is a example of such a ludicrous frame of mind.
Never mind a nuclear mushroom cloud vaporizing a city. This image should resonate with how ridiculous this kind of thinking can be imo.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Redo image code to reduce size.


"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1663 of 1758 (826794)
01-09-2018 4:25 PM
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01-08-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Lindsey Graham is a Pod Person
Percy writes:

Sidenote: Graham is one of the two senators who wrote a letter requesting that Christopher Steele, the former British MI6 operative who authored the Trump dossier, be criminally investigated.

Just today, the transcripts of the Senate's Fusion GPS interviews were publically released through the efforts of Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein. Grassley and Graham were trying to impugn the integrity of Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier while keeping the facts under wraps. I suspect that Republicans may be hoisted by their own petard.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 1664 of 1758 (826799)
01-09-2018 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1659 by Percy
01-09-2018 7:55 AM


Re: Best Response I've Seen to Trump's Mental Claims
Mr. Ed was the stable genius. Mr. Trump is the talking ass.
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Message 1665 of 1758 (826800)
01-09-2018 11:20 PM
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01-09-2018 7:55 AM


Re: Best Response I've Seen to Trump's Mental Claims
"Stable genius"? Doddering Donald doesn't have a lick of horse sense!
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