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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
NoNukes writes: re you referring to Zaid's remark in the headline or to his comments in the article? You didn't quote anything, so I can't tell what you're referring to.
I did not quote anything because you did not quote anything other than his conclusion. The idea that an NDA is only constitutional when applied to national security is ridiculous. You seem ticked off. Are you ticked off about something, or are you just perpetually ticked off. You certainly aren't very informative. Perhaps you could grace us with an explanation for why it's "ridiculous" or, as you said earlier "wishful thinking". Meanwhile, here's a few more quotes for you to ponder:
Should I have included you on the list, something like this:
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Typo.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
This morning's New York Times:
White House Counsel, Don McGahn, Has Cooperated Extensively in Mueller Inquiry Don McGahn is the White House counsel. It turns out that he has been cooperating extensively with Mueller's investigation over the obstruction of justice charges.
The White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, has cooperated extensively in the special counsel investigation, sharing detailed accounts about the episodes at the heart of the inquiry into whether President Trump obstructed justice, including some that investigators would not have learned of otherwise, according to a dozen current and former White House officials and others briefed on the matter. It turns out that McGahn is a pretty valuable witness.
To investigators, Mr. McGahn was a fruitful witness, people familiar with the investigation said. He had been directly involved in nearly every episode they are scrutinizing to determine whether the president obstructed justice. To make an obstruction case, prosecutors who lack a piece of slam-dunk evidence generally point to a range of actions that prove that the suspect tried to interfere with the inquiry. Why would the White House counsel cooperate with the special investigator? Because Trump told him to!
Mr. McGahn’s cooperation began in part as a result of a decision by Mr. Trump’s first team of criminal lawyers to collaborate fully with Mr. Mueller. The president’s lawyers have explained that they believed their client had nothing to hide and that they could bring the investigation to an end quickly. Uh huh. But why would McGahn be so accommodating to Mueller's team? Ha ha ha! Because this is the Trump Administration! McGahn felt that he was being set up.
Mr. McGahn and his lawyer, William A. Burck, could not understand why Mr. Trump was so willing to allow Mr. McGahn to speak freely to the special counsel and feared Mr. Trump was setting up Mr. McGahn to take the blame for any possible illegal acts of obstruction, according to people close to him. So he and Mr. Burck devised their own strategy to do as much as possible to cooperate with Mr. Mueller to demonstrate that Mr. McGahn did nothing wrong. So far it isn't yet perfectly clear whether Trump or his minions have broken any actual laws, but
Even if the president did nothing wrong, Mr. Burck told White House lawyers, the White House has to understand that a client like Mr. Trump probably made politically damaging statements to Mr. McGahn as he weighed whether to intervene in the Russia investigation. Oh, and be careful in your judgement of McGahn. He was originally hired by Trump after all, so he's definitely not one of the "good guys".
Mr. McGahn has overseen two of Mr. Trump’s signature accomplishments stocking the federal courts and cutting government regulations and become a champion of conservatives in the process.... Mr. McGahn is still the White House counsel, shepherding the president’s second Supreme Court nominee, Brett M. Kavanaugh, through the confirmation process. Edited by Chiroptera, : Added quote about the value of McGahn's cooperationOh, God! Pride of Man, broken in the dust again! -- Quicksilver Messenger Service
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Check out Jon Josts Web Blog take on the status quo of Trump in context.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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When he goes into the "both parties are equally corrupt" or "both sides are equally bad" I kind of have trouble taking him seriously.
Entertaining in parts, though. Kind of reads like the poor man's Matt Taibbi.Oh, God! Pride of Man, broken in the dust again! -- Quicksilver Messenger Service
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I have just returned from the Hillsborough County Democratic Summer Picnic. Before Michael Avenatti spoke I shook his hand and spoke a few brief words to him. A national paper overheard me and asked me a couple brief questions. His speech was inspiring, which I video'd from about 15 feet away. I'll post it if I can figure out how to get it off my phone, up to the website, and embedded in a message.
--Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
It was a big day in politics. Guilty: 6 Takeaways From Manafort's And Cohen's Big Day
NPR reports that the two court decisions on Tuesday(yesterday) will have big implications for President Trump. From the article: Six points are made.1. This was a remarkable and potentially consequential day in the Trump presidency 2. It proves the danger of the Mueller investigation for Trump 3. Clear, incontrovertible evidence is the key to proving anything and winning public opinion 4. Is there another shoe to drop soon?(September 7th at the latest...60 days from Election Day.) 5. This adds to the Democrats' scandal push 6. Trump says he hits back harder, so what will he do?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Trump says he hits back harder, so what will he do? Historically what he has done is throw anyone else under the bus; he will shout "Yes they are guilty and should be drawn & quartered for taking advantage of me and committing all those sins" What he has never done historically is declare "Mea Culpa".
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Here's the video I took of Michael Avenatti speaking at the Hillsborough County Democratic Summer Picnic:
Here's a YouTube video of the speech made by one of the local news outlets. They had a big camera and a tripod, but mine is better:
--Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Historically what he has done is throw anyone else under the bus; he will shout "Yes they are guilty and should be drawn & quartered for taking advantage of me and committing all those sins" Trump's response has been far worse than I anticipated. He is taking that stance that Manafort is a good dude because he did not snitch on Trump, and that Cohen is a no good tell-all, rat. As far as I am concern, Trump has essentially admitted guilt with that response. How does Trump try to avoid responsibility?1. By claiming that the activity that Cohen has confessed to and has been convicted for is actually not a crime. 2. By lying that he did not know about the payoffs during the campaign, despite the fact that he was recorded discussing the payoffs in September leading up to the election. 3. By saying that the payoff was not campaign money. That is actually an admission of guilt because it was a reimbursing for money that Cohen paid out of his own pocket to protect the campaign, non of which was reported, and all of which was way over the campaign limits even if it was reported. Trump is actually admitting to being an accessory to a crime. 4. By pointing to Obama's campaign finance fines. Please note that Obama was late reporting legal donations and was fined for late reporting. Trump and Cohen apparently failed to report illegal campaign contributions and then lied about them. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Maybe post it to youtube and then link to it?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
So are you implying that there are pretty much 2 options:
There will be some crazy-impeachment-thing at some point, Trump will cease being president and get taken to court. Or Trump will last out the rest of his term, but as soon as he "naturally" ceases to be president... then he'll get taken to court. I suppose I'm asking, in your law-experienced-view, is there any way Trump could end up not being taken to court? I mean, I'm sure there's always "a way" in the sense that no one can read the future and super-surprising things happen every now and then... but I'm just asking in the realistic sort of sense based on the information available to us today.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Stile writes: I suppose I'm asking, in your law-experienced-view, is there any way Trump could end up not being taken to court? Yes, in fact there is a precedent and example.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
The trick is to get rid of Pence first. That way you have a chance of getting somebody halfway decent like Gerry Ford in the Oval Office.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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There will be some crazy-impeachment-thing at some point, Trump will cease being president and get taken to court. I don't believe that Trump will be convicted if he is impeached. Democrats might be advised not to bother with impeachment. Trump is currently being sued in civil court, and is likely to face state charges at least in New York once he does leave office. I don't see any way that Trump avoids criminal charges forever. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Julius Caesar took control of Rome and ended the Republic to avoid prosecution. Just sayin’
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