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Phat
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Message 2491 of 2543 (839914)
09-18-2018 2:23 PM
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09-18-2018 1:28 PM


Re: Reflection
Fit for hard work. I myself certainly am no longer capable of such...nor are many of my baby boomer kin. The blue-collar populists have had to work hard all their lives anyway.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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Message 2492 of 2543 (839918)
09-18-2018 4:20 PM
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09-14-2018 12:28 PM


Re: Manafort Pleads Guilty
White house response:

Manafort? Manfort who??? Oh,,,, small role in the campaign...hardly seen him and actually didn't know him at all.


"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 2493 of 2543 (839919)
09-18-2018 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2488 by Phat
09-17-2018 2:12 PM


Re: Reflection
Phat writes:

He likely sees his heirs and the strongest of the blue collar base making it while the weaker liberals and socialists fall away. His American Dream is basically survival of the fittest.

I think you forget that parasitism is a viable evolutionary strategy. Trump more than likely sees blue collar workers as people he can steal resources from in order to gain what he wants. It becomes even more obvious after the election when massive tax cuts favor the wealthy but not the blue collar worker. Trump also wants to trash any protections that may be given to blue collar workers where health care is concerned.


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jar
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Message 2494 of 2543 (839922)
09-18-2018 7:54 PM
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09-18-2018 2:23 PM


Re: Reflection
Phat writes:

Fit for hard work.

What hard work has he or any of his family ever done?

Phat writes:

The blue-collar populists have had to work hard all their lives anyway.

And what has Trump done for the Blue Collar worker?


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Percy
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Message 2495 of 2543 (839964)
09-20-2018 7:41 AM


A timeline of events from the Russia Investigation: What we know so far
Certainly what is known publicly is much less than what Bob Mueller knows, but the New York Times has constructed a detailed timeline of what is publicly known about the Russia investigation accompanied by detailed descriptions of each event: A Timeline Showing the Full Scale of Russia’s Unprecedented Interference in the 2016 Election, and Its Aftermath. Here are a very few short excerpts from the event descriptions:

quote:
NOV. 3, 2015 In one of his emails to [Michael] Cohen, [Felix] Sater [Russian émigré, Cohen friend and longtime Trump business associate] predicts that building a Trump Tower in Moscow will help Trump’s presidential campaign. “I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected.” DEC. 19, 2015 In another, Sater talks about securing financing from a Russian bank under American sanctions.
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FEB. 10, 2016 The Internet Research Agency instructs workers to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them).” FEB. 29, 2016 Trump receives a letter from Aras Agalarov expressing “great interest” in his “bright electoral campaign.”
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APRIL 18, 2016 The [unnamed London-based] professor introduces Papadopoulos to Ivan Timofeev, a Russian claiming to connections to the Russian foreign ministry. Russian hackers break into the D.N.C.’s computers. Papadopoulos has multiple conversations with Timofeev about setting up a meeting between the campaign and the Russian government. APRIL 19, 2016 Fake ad: “JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016.” Russian hackers create a fictitious online persona, DCLeaks, to release stolen documents. APRIL 22, 2016 Timofeev thanks Papadopoulos “for an extensive talk” and proposes meeting in London or Moscow. APRIL 25, 2016 Papadopoulos tells Stephen Miller, a top campaign adviser, that Putin wants to meet Trump.

What is publicly known seems already more than enough to prove conspiracy.

--Percy


    
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Message 2496 of 2543 (839965)
09-20-2018 8:03 AM


Walls again
It seems that Trump still thinks that building walls is the answer to illegal immigration, without thinking about details like “do we even control that land?”

Trump urged Spain to 'build a wall' across Sahara, says minister


The border with the Sahara cannot be bigger than our border with Mexico," the President is reported to have said.

The US-Mexico border is 1,954 miles (3,145 km) long. The Sahara desert stretches for 3,000 miles.

Spain has no sovereignty over the Sahara, but it does possess two small enclaves on the north African coast, Ceuta and Melilla, separated from Morocco by controversial wire fences.

Just daft.


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Message 2497 of 2543 (839971)
09-20-2018 1:31 PM
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09-20-2018 8:03 AM


Re: Walls again
There is a big wall in Sahara desert already. More earthern embankments than a wall for most of it's length (image below), but there are minefields in these sections. Have you considered mining the US-Mexico border?


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Percy
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Message 2498 of 2543 (839976)
09-20-2018 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2497 by caffeine
09-20-2018 1:31 PM


Re: Walls again
Have you considered mining the US-Mexico border?

Yeah, that would do it. We don't need no wall. Or maybe this:

--Percy


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Message 2499 of 2543 (840005)
09-21-2018 3:12 PM
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09-20-2018 1:31 PM


Re: Walls again

Sahara desert is 3000 miles across. And incidentally, its a desert. Which means it is functionally a 'wall' in an of itself. i.e., the likelihood of a poor migrant crossing it safely is probably nil. Dumb idea.


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Percy
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Message 2500 of 2543 (840058)
09-23-2018 6:51 AM


Yet More Trump Persecution of immigrants
News outlets are today reporting that Trump is proposing to block visas and green cards for immigrants who have used food stamps, Medicaid or Medicare Part D Low Income Subsidy. See, for example, Trump admin rule would deny green cards to immigrants who took food stamps, Medicaid.

Why is Trump doing this? Because he believes immigrants are a net minus to the country rather than a net plus, despite that everyone in this country is an immigrant or descended from immigrants (even Native Americans, one could argue, the only difference being that they immigrated thousands of years before everyone else).

Here's my own brief immigrant history: My mother's side came over in the 1600s and soon began moving as far west as possible, eventually arriving in Calgary, Alberta, in the early twentieth century. My father's side came over in the late 1800's in a flood of Jewish immigrants fleeing Ukrainian pogroms. While the details differ, all our stories are the same: our ancestors came here from somewhere else as immigrants, and we built this country. Immigrants are our country's strength.

Trump seems to ignore that he himself is descended from relatively recent immigrants. Trump's grandparents immigrated (unwillingly after having been thrown out of Bavaria) in the early twentieth century. Trump's wife Melania is a very recent immigrant, as are her parents.

--Percy


    
caffeine
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Message 2501 of 2543 (840078)
09-23-2018 10:43 AM
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09-21-2018 3:12 PM


Re: Walls again
Sahara desert is 3000 miles across. And incidentally, its a desert. Which means it is functionally a 'wall' in an of itself. i.e., the likelihood of a poor migrant crossing it safely is probably nil. Dumb idea.

While I agree that it's a dumb idea; obviously lots of migrants do in fact cross the Sahara. Where do you think the migrants trying to get from Libya to Europe came from? They cross the desert using new-fangled technologies like the internal combustion engine. These chaps are in Niger getting ready for the long drive across the Libyan Sahara:


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Message 2502 of 2543 (840199)
09-24-2018 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2496 by PaulK
09-20-2018 8:03 AM


Re: Walls again
"The border with the Sahara cannot be bigger than our border with Mexico," the President is reported to have said.

There's a pretty good chance he doesn't realize the Mediterranean is between Spain and the Sahara. Seriously.

Edited by Capt Stormfield, : typo


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Message 2503 of 2543 (840213)
09-25-2018 8:25 AM
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09-23-2018 10:43 AM


Re: Walls again
There are even Guided Tour Groups with Family & Friends discounts:

Edited by jar, : add discounts


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Percy
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Message 2504 of 2543 (840229)
09-25-2018 9:15 PM


Michael Avenatti in the News Again
Michael Avenatti is again in the news after his announcement that he has a client who also accuses Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual abuse. News articles tend to also mentioned in passing Avenatti's interest in exploring a possible run for the presidency in 2020, almost always in dismissive terms because of his background and lack of government experience. My sense is that most Democrats don't seem much interested, either. They want a traditional candidate.

I'm not a Democrat, but I'm reminded of a three decade old column by conservative George Will who wrote after Democrat Michael Dukakis lost the 1988 election to Republican George Herbert Walker Bush:

quote:
How many times does the electorate have to hit the Democratic Party across the bridge of the nose with a crowbar before the party gets the point? Remarkable beast, that party. Its nose wears out crowbars.

Whoever the Democrats nominate in 2020, he had better learn the lesson that is already part of Avenatti's makeup: the rules of the game have changed. That's what happens when a lying conniving but convincing populist runs. When Trump is out of power then we can return to traditional norms, but until then the emphasis has to be on making sure Trump isn't reelected in 2020 (not that a Republican isn't elected - that Trump isn't elected). If Trump runs again it may well take an Avenatti-style Democrat to effectively run against him.

--Percy


    
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Message 2505 of 2543 (840378)
09-28-2018 9:18 AM


Republicans Stunning lack of Honesty, Integrity and Sensitivity`
The Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee considering the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court yesterday displayed a stunning lack of honesty, integrity and sensitivity. There's enough material that one could easily get lost in the details, so I will keep this short. This is what I learned from yesterday's committee interviews of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh:

  • Dr. Ford's story of being sexually assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh was highly credible.

  • Judge Kavanaugh displayed an extreme lack of judicial temperament and revealed himself as a Republican partisan, accusing Democrats and the Clintons of orchestrating attacks on him because of hard feelings about losing the 2016 presidential election.

  • Republicans on the committee revealed they have little interest in the truth by not only rejecting calls for an FBI investigation, but also refusing to give other accusers the same opportunity they gave Dr. Ford, namely Deborah Ramirez and Julie Swetnik. Swetnik is represented by Michael Avenatti, so it seems unlikely that she will just disappear from the public stage.

  • Republicans also had no interest in interviewing Marc Judge, Kavanaugh's close friend and the other alleged person in the room when Kavanaugh allegedly sexually attacked Ford.

  • Senator Lindsey Graham disgraced himself with an unprovoked tirade against committee Democrats.

  • Other supposedly rational and sympathetic Republicans were notable by their silence, namely Senator Jeff Flake, who sits on the committee, and Senator Susan Collins, who does not.

  • Republicans don't seem to realize that approving the nomination of Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court does not end things. If Democrats take over the House this fall then the House Judiciary committee can call for an FBI investigation and decide whether to open impeachment hearings based on the results. If Judge Kavanaugh thinks a stigma and a cloud are following him now, just wait until that happens. Unless Democrats also take over the Senate, which though more likely now than earlier this year is still unlikely, Justice Kavanaugh would not be convicted and removed from the bench, but just the impeachment itself would mean that he would be under great pressure to recuse himself from numerous cases involving women, including anything to do with Roe v. Wade.

That's my take.

--Percy

PS - The "t" on my laptop keyboard is still broken. I have an appointment with a supposed genius this afternoon.
I'm posting from my development machine, which I don't often do.

Edited by Percy, : In the original Senator Susan Collins was accidentally referred to as Senator Gail Collins.


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