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Percy
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Message 2656 of 2661 (844523)
12-01-2018 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2655 by Percy
12-01-2018 9:17 AM


Re: Why Trump Will Be Impeached
An editorial in today's New York Times, Trump Is Compromised by Russia, describes Trump's problems with Russia much better than I have. Some excerpts:

quote:
One of the chief questions in the Trump-Russia scandal has been whether Vladimir Putin has leverage over the president of the United States, and, if so, what that leverage looks like. The significance of the fabled “pee tape,” after all, is not that it would reveal Donald Trump to be a pervert bent on defiling the place where Barack Obama slept. Rather, the tape matters because, if real, it would show the president to be vulnerable to Russian blackmail.
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We still don’t know for certain if Russia has used leverage over Trump. But there should no longer be any doubt that Russia has leverage over him.
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In a Jan. 11, 2017, news conference, Trump said that the “closest I came to Russia” was in selling a Palm Beach mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008. While we’re just learning precisely how dishonest this was, Putin has known it all along. That means that throughout Trump’s campaign and presidency, Putin has had the power to plunge him into political crisis.
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There are still many shoes to drop in this scandal. “Given the extraordinary obsequiousness the president has shown in his relationship with Putin, it begs the question of whether there’s more leverage than this,” said Schiff [Adam Schiff (D-CA), taking over the House Intelligence Committee in January]. “That’s one of the reasons why we’re so determined to make sure that we look into any credible allegations of financial entanglements, whether that involves potential Russian money laundering in the Trump Organization or anything else.”

The Republicans who have been in control of Congress the past two years are complicit in all this malfeasance. If politicians had any shame then Republicans would be ashamed, but shame isn't in the politician's repartoir, from any party. Instead they will try to minimize the damage to their political careers.

Which is nothing new. When Watergate investigations first began Gerald Ford (House R-MI) called it a "political witch hunt," and he did pretty well, appointed vice-president, then succeeding to the presidency, and then nearly defeating Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.

And Bob Dole (Senate R-KS) called the Watergate stories “a barrage of unfounded and unsubstantiated allegations by George McGovern and his partner in mud-slinging, The Washington Post.” Dole went on to a distinguished political career, including an unsuccessful run for the presidency in 1996. I guess shame's a waste of time when there's no penalty for being spectacularly partisan and wrong.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 2657 of 2661 (844639)
12-03-2018 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2656 by Percy
12-01-2018 12:40 PM


Re: Why Trump Will Be Impeached
This message should be subtitled "Trump lies and contradicts himself," which occurred during his helicopter comments before leaving for summit in Argentina. Many of you have probably already seen excerpts from this interview, here's a YouTube video of the whole thing, only the first five minutes are about Cohen. It's not necessary to watch it because I'm going to excerpt just a couple portions that show Trump lying and contradicting himself:

First excerpt, from right at the beginning of Trump's comments:

quote:
So Michael Cohen has made many statements to the House as I understand it, and the Senate. He put out a statement talking about a project which was essentially more or less of an option that we were looking at in Moscow. Everybody knew about it. It was written about in newspapers. It was a well known project.

Trump is referring to Cohen's recent plea deal revealing that Cohen worked on a deal to build Trump Tower Moscow up until mid-June of 2016, also stating that he briefed Trump and family on the Russia deal's status at least three times during the period from January of 2016 (when Trump began his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination) to mid-June of 2016. During this period Trump denied all involvement with Russia at every turn.

When Trump says that it was a well known project covered by the news media he is telling particularly blatant lies. Nobody knew about it until well after Trump became president when in October of 2017 Cohen testified before the Congressional intelligence committees. And the reason nobody knew about it before this is because Trump and everyone in his circle lied about Trump's involvement with Russia.

But the Russians definitely knew about it and knew that Trump was lying to the American people, so they had leverage over Trump because Trump knew the Russians could create political turmoil for him at any time by revealing this secret. They wouldn't reveal it directly, of course, but through Wikileaks or some similar group.

(Speaking of Wikileaks, I wonder if Julian Assange, holed up now in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for six years, realizes that he could have faced the music, served his time, and been out of jail by now. Same for Edward Snowden, he of the leaking of classified information about NSA surveillance programs, including domestic ones. He's been holed up in Moscow since 2013. If he'd faced the music he'd possibly be getting out of jail around now or the next few years. I wonder how he likes life in Moscow. Of course it must be much better than Assange's situation, who is restricted to a single room with his cat.)

Next excerpt:

quote:
He's a weak person [Michael Cohen]. And by being weak, unlike other people that you watch, he's a weak person, and what he's trying to do is get a reduced sentence. So he's lying about a project that everybody knew about. I mean we were very open with it.

Trump contradicts himself here. First he says that Michael Cohen is lying about there being a Russian deal during the campaign, then he confirms that there was a Russian deal during the campaign, just as Cohen said, so Cohen isn't lying.

What's important here is that Trump lied to the American people about his dealings in Russia from the beginning of his campaign up until just a few days ago. Would he have won the Republican nomination if instead of denying any Russian involvement he was truthful about it and had to defend it?

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Bolivian => Ecuadorian


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Tanypteryx
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Message 2658 of 2661 (844648)
12-03-2018 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2657 by Percy
12-03-2018 9:22 AM


Re: Why Trump Will Be Impeached
(Speaking of Wikileaks, I wonder if Julian Assange, holed up now in the Bolivian Embassy in London for six years, realizes that he could have faced the music, served his time, and been out of jail by now.

Assange is in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.


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Message 2659 of 2661 (844665)
12-03-2018 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2657 by Percy
12-03-2018 9:22 AM


Re: Why Trump Will Be Impeached
(Speaking of Wikileaks, I wonder if Julian Assange, holed up now in the Bolivian Embassy in London for six years, realizes that he could have faced the music, served his time, and been out of jail by now. Same for Edward Snowden, he of the leaking of classified information about NSA surveillance programs, including domestic ones. He's been holed up in Moscow since 2013. If he'd faced the music he'd possibly be getting out of jail around now or the next few years. I wonder how he likes life in Moscow. Of course it must be much better than Assange's situation, who is restricted to a single room with his cat.)

I think I'd rather live in Moscow than North Carolina (provided I had money - it's well expensive).


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Percy
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Message 2660 of 2661 (844667)
12-03-2018 4:24 PM
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12-03-2018 11:49 AM


Re: Why Trump Will Be Impeached
Gee, so close - Ecuador and Bolivia are only a thousand miles apart. Ah, well, at least I got the embassy location right. I'll correct it, thanks!

--Percy


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Taq
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Message 2661 of 2661 (844669)
12-03-2018 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2656 by Percy
12-01-2018 12:40 PM


Re: Why Trump Will Be Impeached
Percy writes:

The Republicans who have been in control of Congress the past two years are complicit in all this malfeasance. If politicians had any shame then Republicans would be ashamed, but shame isn't in the politician's repartoir, from any party. Instead they will try to minimize the damage to their political careers.

You only have to ask yourself one question. What would Republicans be doing right now if Obama or Clinton had done 1/10th of what Trump has done? Look at what little it took for Republicans to impeach Bill Clinton.


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