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Message 346 of 1397 (799658)
02-12-2017 3:49 PM
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02-12-2017 3:37 PM


Re: Lies and more lies
In addition the Administration has consistently avoided say what threat people from those seven specific nations pose to the US.

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Message 347 of 1397 (799663)
02-12-2017 6:58 PM
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02-12-2017 3:49 PM


Re: Lies and more lies
In addition the Administration has consistently avoided say what threat people from those seven specific nations pose to the US.

They can't, cause there is little to fear.

BUFFALO, N.Y. – Political discussions about immigrants often include the claim that there is a relationship between immigration patterns and increased crime. However, results of a University at Buffalo-led study find no links between the two. In fact, immigration actually appears to be linked to reductions in some types of crimes, according to the findings.

"Our research shows strong and stable evidence that, on average, across U.S. metropolitan areas crime and immigration are not linked,” said Robert Adelman, an associate professor of sociology at UB and the paper’s lead author. “The results show that immigration does not increase assaults and, in fact, robberies, burglaries, larceny, and murder are lower in places where immigration levels are higher.

“The results are very clear.”


http://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2017/02/020.html

They are feeding the irrational fear of their supporters in order to control and manipulate them.

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Message 348 of 1397 (799664)
02-12-2017 8:37 PM
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02-12-2017 2:00 PM


Re: Lies and more lies
A good President really needs to be able to lie so again, I can't fault Trump or his Administration for lying; the problem is that it seems that simply are as clueless about how to lie as they are about economics or science or reality or history or just about every area of knowledge or talent they have demonstrated so far. So far the whole group from Trump to has staff to most of his cabinet appointees simply come across as incompetent clowns.

Probably the single most important step Trump could take right now would be to simply disappear for a month or so while he gets taught at least a 101 level course how to lie. As it is the only possible opponent he could deal with would be one of his True Believers and Fellow Travelers.


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Message 349 of 1397 (799665)
02-12-2017 10:33 PM
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02-12-2017 8:37 PM


Re: Lies and more lies
A good President really needs to be able to lie so again, I can't fault Trump or his Administration for lying; the problem is that it seems that simply are as clueless about how to lie as they are about economics or science or reality or history or just about every area of knowledge or talent they have demonstrated so far. So far the whole group from Trump to has staff to most of his cabinet appointees simply come across as incompetent clowns.

I can see where a president might want to play things close to the vest and to deflect scrutiny, especially in cases of national security. But Trump just can't seem to keep from telling porkies that are demonstrably untrue and that any kid could show are untrue with just a few minutes on the web. And then they double down when their lies are pointed out. They aren't lying about important stuff, instead it's about Trump's immature ego. He is a pathological liar, something that became obvious to me when I became aware of him when he decided to run.


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Message 350 of 1397 (799679)
02-13-2017 7:38 AM


And in the very same sentence.
This Administration just gets funner and funner.

quote:
“No dream is too big, no challenge is to great. Nothing we want for the future is beyond our reach,”

from the Official Inauguration Print. "Yes we can!"

Edited by jar, : for fun


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Message 351 of 1397 (799680)
02-13-2017 7:49 AM
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02-13-2017 7:38 AM


Re: And in the very same sentence.
It's a new verb

Trump is going to great America

Then we have two missives from DeVOs, one misspelling W.E.B. DuBois' name the next in her apology ...

Secretary of (bad) education?

Addressing its endless stream of awkward spelling and syntax errors, the White House has issued an Executive Order on "Alternative Grammer."

— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) February 13, 2017

LOLZ


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Message 352 of 1397 (799681)
02-13-2017 8:06 AM
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02-13-2017 7:49 AM


Re: And in the very same sentence.
Trump is going to great America

Grate!


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Message 353 of 1397 (799682)
02-13-2017 8:26 AM
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02-13-2017 8:06 AM


Re: And in the very same sentence.
To great or not to great
That is the question
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them


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Message 354 of 1397 (799683)
02-13-2017 8:34 AM


Not that i believe in such things but...

The great shameless, audacious bawler,

He will be elected governor of the army:

The boldness of his contention,

The bridge broken, the city faint from fear

quatrain 81 from nostradamus propheces.

and

"The false trumpet concealing madness
will cause Byzantium to change its laws.
From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants
the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.
The trumpet shakes with great discord.
An agreement broken: lifting the face to heaven:
the bloody mouth will swim with blood;
the face anointed with milk and honey lies on the ground.
The great Senate will ordain the triumph
For one who afterwards will be vanquished, driven out:
At the sound of the trumpet of his adherents there will be
Put up for sale their possessions, enemies expelled.
The republic of the great city
Will not want to consent to the great severity:
King summoned by trumpet to go out,
The ladder at the wall, the city will repent."

Is it me or does that sound like trump, and whats going on in the world.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


    
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Message 355 of 1397 (799693)
02-13-2017 11:30 AM
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02-10-2017 4:00 PM


Re: A Bit of Good News on Financial Advice
The regulation requires that agents make potential remuneration to themselves a secondary rather than primary consideration. Their client's best interests should be kept first and foremost. It's intended to prevent the abuses that occur when agents sell investment vehicles that make them a lot of money without regard to their client's financial well being. Look up boiler room.

If that still doesn't make sense then maybe I'm not explaining it well enough. It was just in the news over the past few days so there should be little difficultly looking up news articles that explain it better than I can. Try this one: Labor Department may seek delay of fiduciary rule: report

Thanks for the link, there was another link in there that explained the concern from the advisors point of view (sorry, I've been really busy and not really paying attention to the news).

I can't tell if that line of thought is disingenuous or not, though.

In one sense, I get where I might want my financial advisor to *not* take my best interest as a first priority - which is when I want to gamble. I would be a little pissed if I asked him for advice on a gamble and he could only reply: "Sorry, by law I can only inform you that gambling on this is not in your best interest." And then if I was like: 'Dude, I'll pay you for your opinion on this one", and then he had to reply: "Sorry, that's illegal", then, yeah, that would be pretty annoying.

I get the idea against the boiler room stuff, that's a no brainer.


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Message 356 of 1397 (799694)
02-13-2017 12:17 PM
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02-13-2017 11:30 AM


Re: A Bit of Good News on Financial Advice
quote:

In one sense, I get where I might want my financial advisor to *not* take my best interest as a first priority - which is when I want to gamble. I would be a little pissed if I asked him for advice on a gamble and he could only reply: "Sorry, by law I can only inform you that gambling on this is not in your best interest."

I don't see that as a problem. If high-risk investments are really not in your interest he would (probably) be required to tell you that. But it is very unlikely that he would be forbidden from advising you on them or selling you one if you insisted.


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Message 357 of 1397 (799695)
02-13-2017 12:59 PM
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02-13-2017 11:30 AM


Re: A Bit of Good News on Financial Advice
In one sense, I get where I might want my financial advisor to *not* take my best interest as a first priority - which is when I want to gamble. I would be a little pissed if I asked him for advice on a gamble and he could only reply: "Sorry, by law I can only inform you that gambling on this is not in your best interest." And then if I was like: 'Dude, I'll pay you for your opinion on this one", and then he had to reply: "Sorry, that's illegal", then, yeah, that would be pretty annoying.

That is a ridiculous example. Its premise does not even deal with what the reality of the rule is. First of all gambling is not an investment. The advisor does not represent or advise on gambling. If your investment advisor tells you that you should consider gambling as a good investment strategy then you should fire them.

There is a risk in most investments, but that is not gambling(though the odds are the same with some investments). The rule does not say they cannot discuss risky investments, the rule says they have a fiduciary responsibility. The primary goal of their advice cannot be enriching themselves, but to have the clients financial interests as the first priority. Anything else and they are just scammers.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 358 of 1397 (799696)
02-13-2017 1:37 PM
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02-13-2017 11:30 AM


Re: A Bit of Good News on Financial Advice
Just so everyone knows, these new rules only apply to retirement accounts (where people should not be gambling), not regular trading accounts (where people should be gambling if they are so inclined).

I work in the field, and our company already had most compliance issues resolved & we were already working on converting certain accounts our clients hold with us. It's not really a big deal.


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Message 359 of 1397 (799702)
02-13-2017 3:47 PM
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02-13-2017 11:30 AM


Re: A Bit of Good News on Financial Advice
In one sense, I get where I might want my financial advisor to *not* take my best interest as a first priority - which is when I want to gamble.

Your statement is based on a bad reading of the rule. Having a fiduciary duty does not mean that the financial advisor cannot give you risky financial device. Such a duty instead requires that your advisor cannot indulge in self-dealing advice designed to profit the advisor rather than you. For example, CEOs have a fiduciary duty to their stockholders, but that duty does not prevent them from taking on risks that might bankrupt the company. The CEO's fiduciary responsibility would prevent him from taking short positions on his own company will attempting to cause losses that would enhance his own pocket at the expense of the stockholders.

The real difficulty with the rule is not that it prevents the advisor from taking risks if he has been instructed to do so, but that there is some cost with policing behavior under the rule, with said costs primarily being placed on the advisors. At a minimum, the advisor would have to provide reviewable documentation of the basis for his/her decisions along with documentation of the advisors own financial positions.


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Message 360 of 1397 (799710)
02-13-2017 7:38 PM


What's in a name.
It will be interesting to see if becoming President turns out to be an asset to the Trump Brand or simply another failure. Add Sears and K-Mart and Neiman Marcus and TJ Max and Marshalls and Belk to the list of stores dropping Trump Brand items.

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