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NoNukes
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Message 376 of 627 (799768)
02-14-2017 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by PaulK
02-14-2017 4:50 PM


Re: Flynn gets flushed
And the Acting Attorney General warned Trump about the legal issues.

Trump's attempt to deflect is straight out of the "L. Ron Hubbard" [1] playbook:

http://www.cnn.com/...dministration-michael-flynn/index.html

quote:
But the President and some House Republicans pushed back, trying to focus attention on the source of disclosures about Flynn's contacts with Russia that appear to have emerged from intelligence surveillance of the Russian Embassy.

"The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc.?"


[1]"NEVER agree to an investigation of Scientology. ONLY agree to an investigation of the attackers." L. Ron Hubbard.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 377 of 627 (799769)
02-14-2017 10:18 PM
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02-14-2017 12:53 PM


Re: And now a call to investigate Trump directly and Trump's Russian connection.
I'm guessing he'll just say that he knew nothing about what Flynn was doing.

That's hardly credible, but when has this ever bothered the Trumpster ?

Trump claiming to be ignorant of the facts sounds pretty damn credible to me.


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Message 378 of 627 (799776)
02-14-2017 11:57 PM


Trump Administration Caught In Lie
Not looking good for Trump and his dream team.

Trump Administration Caught In Lie About Campaign Contacts With Russians

WASHINGTON ― U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies have confirmed that President Donald Trump’s campaign aides and associates had constant contact with Russian intelligence officials before the election, directly contradicting public statements made by top administration officials.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...us_58a3ca36e4b03df370dba994
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Message 379 of 627 (799792)
02-15-2017 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 373 by PaulK
02-14-2017 4:50 PM


Re: Flynn gets flushed
... and I wonder if an honourable person could take the AG role)

Well we now have Sessions, so that should answer your question.


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Message 380 of 627 (799797)
02-15-2017 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 378 by Porosity
02-14-2017 11:57 PM


Re: Trump Administration Caught In Lie
Not looking good for Trump and his dream team.

Indeed the shoes are dropping fast.

Intelligence Committee will investigate possible Russia-Trump links "Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) said late Friday ..."

GOP senator calls for exhaustive investigation into Trump-Russia connections "Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) on Tuesday said there should be an exhaustive investigation into the ties between Russia and the Trump administration."

That's two republicans on the Intelligence Committee -- so we can be pretty sure that investigation will occur.

House Democrats Demand Michael Flynn Probe In Yet Another Committee "Democratic members on the House Foreign Affairs Committee are calling for a separate investigation ... "

Watch this space.

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Message 381 of 627 (799798)
02-15-2017 10:48 AM
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02-15-2017 10:46 AM


Re: Trump Administration Caught In Lie
Just read Trump's latest tweets on the matter. Do they seem a little flaccid to you, compared to his previous forays ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 382 of 627 (799813)
02-15-2017 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by Porosity
02-14-2017 11:57 PM


Re: Trump Administration Caught In Lie
Porosity writes:

Not looking good for Trump and his dream team.


In the next four years, he may have to go through everybody who voted for him to keep his dream team filled.
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 383 of 627 (799814)
02-15-2017 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by RAZD
02-15-2017 10:46 AM


In the shadow of a warmongering Senate.
quote:

That's two republicans on the Intelligence Committee -- so we can be pretty sure that investigation will occur.

If anything, Democrats might be inclined to be less anti-Russian than the GOP. Party partisanship has caused Democrats to become more anti-Russian. Trump is something of an outlier among the GOP.

I never could figure out all the complexities of Russian intelligence. They seem to be in a lot of places. Lots of anti E.U. propaganda comes either from the CIA or Russian intelligence. SOMEBODY has convinced blacks, in the U.S.A., that the E.U. is "neo Nazi" even though the various right wing movements in Europe are very anti E.U.

I was just told by a Puerto Rican that he is sick and tired of constantly hearing people say that "Europeans burnt the library of Alexandria" (a favorite claim among black nationalists who say that whites destroyed black history) when it was the pagan Greeks that founded and maintained the library until the NATIVE EGYPTIAN COPTS burnt it and flayed Hypatia. He has trouble with all the propaganda and is getting sick of people not listening to him.

I was just told, by a black, that I would get killed in prison for saying good things about Alexander and ANCIENT Greece. I ALREADY KNEW THAT. You can't say anything good about modern Greece without listening to a rant.

I'm just wondering if the Russians are going along with anti-Greek propaganda (though the two get along well) or if it is all CIA. I think the Greeks are almost as hated as Jews in the black community. I brought up Bernie Sanders to a black friend and he went on a rant about how he was a "Zionist spy" and I was hoping he actually didn't know Sanders was Jewish (took me about two seconds to find out my hopes were in vain).

I don't know where all this crap is coming from.

(also I forgot to mention that I have been told, by multiple blacks, that "Russians love backs" and any claim to the contrary is American propaganda. Western Europeans hate blacks and Russians love them seems to be a theme.)

Democrats are partisan skunks that repel the average human, but there really is something to all this Russian-intel conspiracy theory stuff (despite the conspiracy theories inspired by raw partisanship, on the one hand, and warmongering on the other).


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Message 384 of 627 (799815)
02-15-2017 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by Porosity
02-14-2017 11:57 PM


Re: Trump Administration Caught In Lie
quote:

Not looking good for Trump and his dream team.
Trump Administration Caught In Lie About Campaign Contacts With Russians

Do you actually think Trump cares? I think he did care a little about getting elected in the first place (so some, and only some, of his anger during the campaign might have been somewhat "real" and not manufactured) but I almost think that he might be trying to blow things up for some esoteric reason.

I am wondering/thinking he is convinced that the nation and the world is a nationalistic mess already, so he will try to become a parody of Archie Bunker (who was already a parody) just to show "what happens" when something or another along those lines takes total control.

I'm not sure what he is trying to do, but the GOP will get close to 60 Senate seats in a few years.

The last time the GOP had (near) total control, the nation ended up in a mess (after the September 23 2008 collapse), and Trump might not be opposed to blowing things up again just for sport.

I don't know.


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NoNukes
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Message 385 of 627 (799816)
02-15-2017 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by LamarkNewAge
02-15-2017 3:23 PM


Re: In the shadow of a warmongering Senate.
I was just told by a Puerto Rican that he is sick and tired of constantly hearing people say that "Europeans burnt the library of Alexandria" (a favorite claim among black nationalists who say that whites destroyed black history) when it was the pagan Greeks that founded and maintained the library until the NATIVE EGYPTIAN COPTS burnt it and flayed Hypatia. He has trouble with all the propaganda and is getting sick of people not listening to him.

Nobody really knows who burned the library. There are several possibilities only one of which matches the group you seem to be absolutely sure is guilty. One of the possible groups includes an accidental burning by Roman soldiers which would fit the answer that your Puerto Rican acquaintance hates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...ion_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria

quote:
Ancient and modern sources identify four possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria: Julius Caesar's fire during his civil war in 48 BC; the attack of Aurelian in AD 270 – 275; the decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus of Alexandria in 391 AD; and the Muslim conquest of Egypt in (or after) AD 642.

As regard to how Greeks are viewed in the black community, your conclusion is equally full of shite. Yes, there are some anti-semitic black folks, cannot argue with that, but is that really some major thing in the black community? Absolutely not. Some whites are anti-semitic. Can we conclude that the white community hates Jews?

About two or three sentences of this rant are actually on topic. The rest is your usual.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 386 of 627 (799817)
02-15-2017 4:59 PM
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02-15-2017 3:23 PM


Re: In the shadow of a warmongering Senate.
What the fuck does the fact a person is Puerto Rican or black have to do with any of your drivel?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 387 of 627 (799818)
02-15-2017 5:17 PM


Topic Reminder
Again let me apologize for moderating my own thread. I'll continue using what is hopefully a light hand.

This thread is for rational and reasonable discussion of the Trump presidency that is rooted in fact. Anything else is off-topic. Thanks.

--Percy


    
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Message 388 of 627 (799819)
02-15-2017 5:43 PM


Puzder paddles away
Puzder withdraws name and rides off into the sunset. Who was that masked man?

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Message 389 of 627 (799820)
02-15-2017 7:42 PM
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02-15-2017 2:43 PM


Re: Trump Administration Caught In Lie
In the next four years, he may have to go through everybody who voted for him to keep his dream team filled.

At this pace of dumb fuckery? I don't see him lasting through the year without impeachment or stroking out.


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Message 390 of 627 (799822)
02-16-2017 7:29 AM
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02-15-2017 7:42 PM


Re: Trump Administration Caught In Lie
At this pace of dumb fuckery? I don't see him lasting through the year without impeachment or stroking out.

And I certainly don't think any appointments should be approved until this Russian scandal is sorted out -- if Russia did alter the outcome of the election in exchange for lifting sanctions that is treason.

Enjoy


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