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Rrhain
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Message 541 of 1548 (801052)
03-02-2017 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 540 by Genomicus
03-02-2017 9:03 PM


Re: Trump only deporting criminals and "bad hombres"? It's a lie.
Genomicus:

quote:
Well, Lady Liberty is okay because she immigrated "the right way."

By having a bunch of men pay for her?

While the original owners kept her sister?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Message 542 of 1548 (801071)
03-03-2017 5:36 AM


Email
Oh look Pence used a personal AOL account for government business when he was governor of Indiana. And it was hacked. And when that happened he just abandoned it and opened a new account. And he didn't copy all the emails automatically to government servers either - leaving it until he was leaving office. Guess he should be investigated by the FBI.
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Message 543 of 1548 (801099)
03-03-2017 9:38 AM
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03-03-2017 5:36 AM


Re: Email
IOKIYAR

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 544 of 1548 (801210)
03-04-2017 8:44 AM


Trump makes America safer by sticking our heads in the sand.
According to a report in the Washington Post and many, many other sources yesterday Donal Trump pulled what may well be the dumbest trick yet in his parade of really dumb tricks.

quote:
The Trump administration is seeking to slash the budget of one of the government’s premier climate science agencies by 17 percent, delivering steep cuts to research funding and satellite programs, according to a four-page budget memo obtained by The Washington Post.

The proposed cuts to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration would also eliminate funding for a variety of smaller programs, including external research, coastal management, estuary reserves and “coastal resilience,” which seeks to bolster the ability of coastal areas to withstand major storms and rising seas.


source

Having spent a couple decades running computer systems and writing programs for data analysis for some Marine Biologists this is an area where I have a small amount of experience. What we don't know about our oceans, our beaches, the fisheries and marshes has always been hampered by under-funding. There simply has not been enough money to do a good job of monitoring.

The advent of NOAA satellite system and Sea Grant funding helped some; not much but some.

And then ...

quote:
The OMB outline for the Commerce Department for fiscal 2018 proposed sharp reductions in specific areas within NOAA such as spending on education, grants and research. NOAA’s Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research would lose $126 million, or 26 percent, of the funds it has under the current budget. Its satellite data division would lose $513 million, or 22 percent, of its current funding under the proposal.

il Donald says "Let's cut the funding for satellite data by almost a quarter".

quote:
Many scientists warned that the deep cuts at NOAA could hurt safety as well as academic programs.

Conrad Lautenbacher, a retired vice admiral who was the NOAA administrator under President George W. Bush, said, “I think the cuts are ill timed given the needs of society, economy and the military.” He added, “It will be very hard for NOAA to manage and maintain the kind of services the country requires” with the proposed cuts.

Jane Lubchenco, NOAA administrator under President Barack Obama, said that 90 percent of the information for weather forecasts comes from satellites. “Cutting NOAA’s satellite budget will compromise NOAA’s mission of keeping Americans safe from extreme weather and providing forecasts that allow businesses and citizens to make smart plans,” she said.

Rick Spinrad, a former chief scientist for NOAA, said: “NOAA’s research and operations, including satellite data management, support critical safety needs. A reduced investment now would virtually guarantee jeopardizing the safety of the American public.”

He said that weather warnings for tornadoes and hurricanes could be compromised and that navigational capacity used to help guide commercial ships and other mariners would suffer, leaving them without the “improved forecasts they need to safely maneuver coastal waters.” It could become harder to warn of tsunamis and forecast weather that will cause power outages.

David Titley, a professor of meteorology at Pennsylvania State University who served as NOAA’s chief operating officer in the Obama administration, said that “oddly” the White House budget office, despite the president’s commitment to building infrastructure, would cut NOAA’s budget for ships and satellites. “These cuts will impact good private-sector jobs in the U.S.,” Titley said. “The loss of capability will make America weaker both in space and on the sea — a strange place to be for an administration that campaigned to ‘make America great again.’ ”


I feel so much safer now.

AbE: Just some more of the reasons this policy is another example of the small mind and ignorance that dominates US Government and the Trump Administration in particular.

Trump has said that his reason to make such cuts is to prioritize defense spend to keep America safe.

Well, Donald, if keeping America safe really is your goal maybe it would be wise to learn just a little about the threats American faces.

From data from the very Agency you want to emasculate:

quote:
In 2016, there were 15 weather and climate disaster events with losses exceeding $1 billion each across the United States.

quote:
The U.S. has sustained 203 weather and climate disasters since 1980 where overall damages/costs reached or exceeded $1 billion (including CPI adjustment to 2016). The total cost of these 203 events exceeds $1.1 trillion.

Donald, these are real threats, not imaginary terrorists slipping across the border.

And Donald, the only defense against such threats is knowledge. Guns and bombs and nuclear warheads won't cut it.

And Donald, stopping watching out for such threats will not help avoid them.

And Donald, are you really this stupid?

Edited by jar, : See AbE:


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Message 545 of 1548 (801228)
03-04-2017 2:00 PM


https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/838032637990166531

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No President can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you.

  
Percy
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Message 546 of 1548 (801252)
03-04-2017 4:55 PM


Trump Accuses Obama of Wiretapping his Phones
I guess as part of keeping a complete record we're obligated to record that Trump just today accused Obama of wiretapping his phones:

The man is unhinged.

--Percy


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Message 547 of 1548 (801262)
03-04-2017 5:34 PM
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03-04-2017 4:55 PM


Re: Trump Accuses Obama of Wiretapping his Phones
The man is unhinged.

I'm not at all sure that he is unhinged.

It looks to me as if he is deliberately creating a feeding frenzy among the core Trump voters. And if we go by the posts of a Trump voter at this forum, it seems to be working.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 548 of 1548 (801283)
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Message 549 of 1548 (801284)
03-04-2017 8:16 PM


This is great.
Please keep this up. I was trying to figure out how to keep Trump in the White House for 8 years, but I don't have to do anything. You are going to do it for me.

Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would. That's why I voted for him, along with 79.6% of the people in Sublette County Wyoming where I live.

If you don't like him being president, change the constitution, you only need 3/4 of the states to agree with you.

What a great thing.......eight years of watching liberal heads EXPLODE.


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jar
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Message 550 of 1548 (801285)
03-04-2017 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by petrophysics1
03-04-2017 8:16 PM


Re: This is great.
petro writes:

What a great thing.......eight years of watching liberal heads EXPLODE.

Be sure to let us know if that happens.


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Message 551 of 1548 (801295)
03-04-2017 10:23 PM
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03-04-2017 4:55 PM


Re: Trump Accuses Obama of Wiretapping his Phones
I guess as part of keeping a complete record we're obligated to record that Trump just today accused Obama of wiretapping his phones:

Don't suppose anyone would be all that surprised to learn the wire taps were set up by the Russians trying to keep closer tabs on their new investment.



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jar
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Message 552 of 1548 (801320)
03-05-2017 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 546 by Percy
03-04-2017 4:55 PM


Re: Trump Accuses Obama of Wiretapping his Phones
Actually, indirectly it might even make sense.

As I pointed out earlier in one of these Trump threads, if the US intelligence agencies are doing their job, particularly the NoSuchAgency, they are monitoring Russian phones. Not just some of them but all of the significant ones and many of the others.

If Trump or one of his Minions made a call from the phones at Trump Tower to any of the phones NoSuchAgency is monitoring, that conversation got recorded. There is no need to actually tap the phones at Trump Tower; NoSuchAgency gets all the information from the phone being called.

Sounds like il Donald is trying to prepare a defense.

Made any long distance calls to a +7 number lately Donald?


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Message 553 of 1548 (801321)
03-05-2017 7:08 AM
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03-04-2017 8:16 PM


Re: This is great.
petrophysics1 writes:

Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would.

I don't recall him saying he would run a chaotic and inept first 40 days of his presidency characterized by paranoid accusations, mean-minded actions and a nationalistic frenzy. He's to be given credit for trying to do what he said he would do, but he's doing it very poorly and incompetently whether it's immigration or trade or national defense or even just staffing his administration.

If you don't like him being president, change the constitution, you only need 3/4 of the states to agree with you.

You might be confusing impeachment with an amendment.

What a great thing.......eight years of watching liberal heads EXPLODE.

You take joy in other people's unhappiness? Way to go, guy.

I'm not a liberal, I just recognize crazy when I see it.

--Percy


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Message 554 of 1548 (801338)
03-05-2017 9:04 AM
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03-04-2017 8:16 PM


Re: This is great.
Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would.

He said he'd release his tax returns if he ran for office.


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Message 555 of 1548 (801352)
03-05-2017 1:20 PM
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03-04-2017 4:55 PM


Re: Trump Accuses Obama of Wiretapping his Phones
Reading around there was no FISA order targeting Trump directly. The order that seems to have been meant was actually directed at two Russian banks.

So, does Trump want us to think that Russian banks were deeply involved in his campaign ?


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