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Percy
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Message 706 of 763 (803739)
04-04-2017 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 702 by marc9000
04-03-2017 8:34 PM


Re: Reality
Just think, now all the millions of people in the U.S. (myself included) who depend on older trucks to make a living don't have to worry about losing their livelihoods to a brand new, knee jerk global warming regulation that would require expensive retro-fits for their trucks, or a complete replacement of them.

There are two problems with this. First, it isn't true. The emission standards in effect for a truck's model year are the ones that apply. Second, there are assistance programs for those interested in an engine retrofit or replacement, especially for diesels.

With unemployment at 4.9% we're already at full employment. Increased employment from here would cause inflation.

There's always room for new business start ups,...

Irrelevant and likely untrue. The lower the unemployment rate the greater the inflationary pressures.

What I see in your posts, and all around the mainstream media, is an increasing animosity towards Trump, and I don't remember ever seeing it before.

That's because you haven't seen it before. I've already said several times that it's unprecedented, but Trump has brought it all on himself. It's not like a constant barrage of lying attacks doesn't have consequences.

But really, Trump hasn't changed since his campaign.

That's right, he hasn't, but the country very much needs him to change from campaign mode to governing mode.

Also, you seem to have become caught up in the Trump misdirection concerning his false wiretapping claim. If you phone a Russian who is under surveillance, then you'll become surveilled yourself during that phone call.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 707 of 763 (803780)
04-04-2017 9:06 PM


The courts step up once again.
Even as the Trump administration tries to roll back or undo Obama era protections for LGBT people the courts have stepped in to protect them. Today another Federal Court says that long established Federal Civil Rights laws prohibit discrimination on the job against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender employees.
source

Federal laws override State laws.


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NoNukes
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Message 708 of 763 (803783)
04-04-2017 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 706 by Percy
04-04-2017 8:09 AM


Reality has a liberal bias...
There are two problems with this. First, it isn't true. The emission standards in effect for a truck's model year are the ones that apply. Second, there are assistance programs for those interested in an engine retrofit or replacement, especially for diesels.

The third problem is that emission standards are unrelated to controlling greenhouse gasses. There is no way to prevent the production of CO2 from gasoline because that is the desired result of burning hydrocarbons, so of course, nobody tries to tweak cars to eliminate CO2. We've discussed this exact point before, but facts roll off of marc9000 like water off a duck's back.

Emission control is for smog. So marc9000 is actually complaining about not being allowed to pee in everyone else cornflakes (breathing air).

That's right, he hasn't, but the country very much needs him to change from campaign mode to governing mode.

For many folks, as long as Trump is deporting illegal immigrants, they will spot him a few screw ups, even when his policies screw them directly.

Also, you seem to have become caught up in the Trump misdirection concerning his false wiretapping claim.

If you are getting your news from alt-right spots, you likely have some alternative facts on what is really going on with the wiretapping.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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jar
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Message 709 of 763 (803784)
04-04-2017 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 708 by NoNukes
04-04-2017 9:18 PM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
NN writes:

Emission control is for smog.

And before that to eliminate lead from the gasoline that was used to mask wear on valves but ended up in the air and grass and on houses and ... in kids.


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Heathen
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Message 710 of 763 (803796)
04-05-2017 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 708 by NoNukes
04-04-2017 9:18 PM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
quote:
of course, nobody tries to tweak cars to eliminate CO2

I don't know about the US, but in the UK and Ireland cars are marketed on their CO2 emmisions.

Measured in g/km cars are liable for less vehicle duty the lower the CO2 emssions.

manufacturers are now marketing this as a feature, better fuel economy, clever engine management systems, even complex exhaust systems all go to reduce CO2 emissions.


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Heathen
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Message 711 of 763 (803891)
04-05-2017 1:54 PM


Bannon off security council
Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon stripped of national security council role

https://www.theguardian.com/...ty-council-role-trump-shakeup


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NoNukes
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Message 712 of 763 (803896)
04-05-2017 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by Heathen
04-05-2017 2:01 AM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
I don't know about the US, but in the UK and Ireland cars are marketed on their CO2 emmisions.

The only way to reduce CO2 is to get more mileage per gallon. You cannot reduce the CO2 produced from burning a gallon of gas by doing emission control.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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dwise1
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Message 713 of 763 (803903)
04-05-2017 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 712 by NoNukes
04-05-2017 2:25 PM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
The only way to reduce CO2 is to get more mileage per gallon.

Studying up on the traffic laws in Germany, I found that you are not allowed to let your car idle for more than 30 seconds. Somewhere I also read that many cars in Europe are designed to shut their engines off after idling for about 30 seconds.

I believe that practice would also reduce CO2


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Heathen
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Message 714 of 763 (803918)
04-05-2017 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 712 by NoNukes
04-05-2017 2:25 PM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
So you tweak an engine to run more efficiently, thereby reducing co2 emissions.

New cars here often have stop-start technology. i.e. when you're stopped at traffic lights or in a jam, the engine cuts out, and restarts when you take your foot off the brake pedal.

At other times the engines use less cylinders when running slowly. All to reduce emissions.

Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.


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1.61803
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Message 715 of 763 (803920)
04-05-2017 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 711 by Heathen
04-05-2017 1:54 PM


Re: Bannon off security council
Hopefully not because the shits about to hit the fan in NK or Syria.

If we get a public announcement from the great Cheeto things may not be looking to good for Seoul or Assad.

Trump twitter feed:
NORK acting badly, things about to heat up.
Does Seoul need any toilet paper? Sad.


"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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NoNukes
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Message 716 of 763 (803935)
04-05-2017 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 713 by dwise1
04-05-2017 3:09 PM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
I believe that practice would also reduce CO2

Yes, turning off your car and not burning fuel does reduce CO2. Is that really relevant to the discussion about emissions testing?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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marc9000
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Message 717 of 763 (803936)
04-05-2017 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 706 by Percy
04-04-2017 8:09 AM


Re: Reality
marc9000 writes:

Just think, now all the millions of people in the U.S. (myself included) who depend on older trucks to make a living don't have to worry about losing their livelihoods to a brand new, knee jerk global warming regulation that would require expensive retro-fits for their trucks, or a complete replacement of them.

There are two problems with this. First, it isn't true. The emission standards in effect for a truck's model year are the ones that apply.

That's the way it is now, but it could change overnight with a liberal EPA director like Carol Browner. She was Bill Clinton's EPA director for both of his terms, and became the "environment czar" for Obama in 2009. She seemed to do most of her damage to the economy during the Clinton administration. She was more responsible than anyone else for the auto emission testing fiasco that happened locally in my area from 2000 to 2006, wasting millions of dollars. Apparently there was enough backlash from this type of program all across the U.S. that helped prevent her from establishing a federal vehicle testing program, possibly for heavy trucks as well. All the government-built testing stations in my area have 14'6" clearance, much more than needed for only cars and light truck that they were testing at the time. 14'6" is enough for all heavy trucks.

So you're afraid of Scott Pruitt, I'm afraid of Carol Browner. Here's a little more info on just who she is;

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?...

And from another link here's a brief description on what she'd like to do to the U.S.;

quote:
Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance", and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

I don't think Scott Pruitt is going to attack our economy.

Second, there are assistance programs for those interested in an engine retrofit or replacement, especially for diesels.

(no sarcasm) I know you won't understand this, but I DON'T WANT an assistance program! I was told by a neighbor that I probably qualified to have my house insulated for free. I just let his comment go without a confrontation, but if my house needs insulating, I'll do it my way! Like me, he supplements his home furnace with a woodburning add-on. He recently got a free, government supplied furnace. (he's partly disabled) He was told he had to get rid of his wood burner to qualify for his free furnace, and he dutifully complied. He hopes to slip one back in, in a year or two if they're not watching. I'm just amazed by this. NO ONE is going to tell me to get rid of my woodburner, they can shove their free stuff!

Different people have different grass-roots opinions on liberty, that's for sure.

That's because you haven't seen it before. I've already said several times that it's unprecedented, but Trump has brought it all on himself.

Not all of it, he has lots of fake news to deal with, and ABC WORLD NEWS TONIGHT WITH DAVID MUIR gave me a prime example for you tonight.

As I mentioned in Message 702, ABC World News Tonight on the evening of 4-3-17 had nothing to say about the political spying on Trump. To it's credit, it did address the issue on 4-4, and again tonight on 4-5, but just in ways to try to downplay it.

But tonight, my local station joined them in progress, about 1 minute into their broadcast. (the local's coverage of severe storms in my area caused the short delay.) As soon as WNT came on, the caption on the bottom of the screen read; ~Trump;"Crossed a Lot of Lines"~. The caption stayed there for over a full minute, while they talked about the chemical attack in Syria. Trump was upset about it, as any U.S. President would have been. He said the Syrian leader "crossed a lot of lines", and that he might change his position on foreign involvement because of it. They didn't seem to be putting him down for it. But they know of course, that their broadcast, in addition to being in home living rooms, is on countless thousands of Television sets at shopping malls, department stores, laundromats, sports bars etc. Places where lots of activity is going on, and chances are the volume is down, or is drowned out by other noise. How many tens of thousands of people walked by those sets, with other things on their minds, and only glanced at the caption; Trump "Crossed a Lot of Lines". Do you think they all perfectly noticed the punctuation? Or were they cleverly mislead? How many people who don't pay much attention to politics just get another slight little Trump slam etched in their minds?

This is only one example of clever fake news. You can take your low-poll ratings of Trump seriously if you want. Many people don't, for good reason.

Also, you seem to have become caught up in the Trump misdirection concerning his false wiretapping claim.

So your mind's made up, and you're closed to any new information on it? If, instead of Susan Rice and Obama in 2017, this were George W. Bush and Condoleeza Rice in 2009, do you think skyrockets would be going up, with the words "Nixon" and "Watergate" mentioned 50 times in 1/2 hour on WORLD NEWS TONIGHT WITH DAVID MUIR?


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marc9000
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Message 718 of 763 (803937)
04-05-2017 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 708 by NoNukes
04-04-2017 9:18 PM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
The third problem is that emission standards are unrelated to controlling greenhouse gasses. There is no way to prevent the production of CO2 from gasoline because that is the desired result of burning hydrocarbons, so of course, nobody tries to tweak cars to eliminate CO2. We've discussed this exact point before, but facts roll off of marc9000 like water off a duck's back.

Emission control is for smog. So marc9000 is actually complaining about not being allowed to pee in everyone else cornflakes (breathing air).

I made no distinction between CO2 and smog. All I was talking about was emission testing. I LOVE the way you get unhinged when you get mad at me. Keep it coming!


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NoNukes
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Message 719 of 763 (803951)
04-05-2017 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 718 by marc9000
04-05-2017 8:36 PM


Re: Reality has a liberal bias...
I made no distinction between CO2 and smog. All I was talking about was emission testing.

Have you forgotten your own position, marc9000. I will repeat it here for you.

marc9000 writes:

Just think, now all the millions of people in the U.S. (myself included) who depend on older trucks to make a living don't have to worry about losing their livelihoods to a brand new, knee jerk global warming regulation that would require expensive retro-fits for their trucks, or a complete replacement of them.

Describe any global warming regulations that address old vehicles.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Percy
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Message 720 of 763 (803986)
04-06-2017 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 717 by marc9000
04-05-2017 8:32 PM


Re: Reality
Hi Mark,

You sound like a one-man environmental wrecking crew. Insulate your house, get an efficient furnace, get a newer truck, save money on fuel, and reduce your pollution of the air we all breath. A few years ago I switched our home heating system from oil to high efficiency propane and am spending about half as much to heat the house now. The new system will pay for itself in a few more years, and after that it's gravy.

We can't really talk about TV news because I don't watch any. I get nearly all my news from the print media. I rarely watch videos. TV news is obnoxious in the way it blares for attention both in style and the types of stories it chooses.

--Percy


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