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NoNukes
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Message 736 of 1540 (804421)
04-09-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 735 by LamarkNewAge
04-09-2017 2:36 AM


Re: NoNukes got this one this time when he indicated our general inabilities to detect st
It turned out that the next decade had just about no real growth once the collapse was completed by mid 2009.

I'm not sure how this relates to my post, but the post was coherent, used paragraphs to improve readability, and is about the economy which is at least related to a discussion on the Trump presidency. I gave it a thumbs up for those points alone.

Not really about the Trump presidency though.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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marc9000
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Message 737 of 1540 (804423)
04-09-2017 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 731 by LamarkNewAge
04-08-2017 10:48 PM


Re: My source for my special interest accusation.
LNA's link writes:

The effectiveness of these lobby groups is testimony of the power of organized groups to effect and resist change.

"Lobbying" comes from every direction. There are plenty of lobby groups that are all about promoting change which can harm society. The insurance lobby and environmental lobby are major ones.

One day, the truth will be known by all and the obvious policy solution will be correctly seen as much more free trade in every genuine sense of the words FREE and OPEN.

"Free and open" in International terms can cause a greater terrorist threat. And in the case of food, it can also mean a health threat. Those things have to be taken into consideration as well.


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marc9000
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Message 738 of 1540 (804424)
04-09-2017 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 733 by NoNukes
04-09-2017 1:18 AM


Re: This is great.
Do you think that covers things like promising health care that give better coverage and be cheaper than the ACA was just impetuous?

Yes.

Do you know even now what Trump was thinking when he said that?

No, I'm willing to give him more than 11 weeks to get it all established.

How in the world could anyone know that?

Trump didn't seek the presidency for the money, unlike ALL of his immediate predecessors.


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jar
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Message 739 of 1540 (804425)
04-09-2017 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 738 by marc9000
04-09-2017 1:43 PM


Say what?
marc writes:

Trump didn't seek the presidency for the money, unlike ALL of his immediate predecessors.

Are you kidding?

What makes you think Trump did not seek the position for the money since it seems so far he has only used it to make money?


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marc9000
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Message 740 of 1540 (804426)
04-09-2017 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 734 by PaulK
04-09-2017 1:51 AM


Re: This is great.
Because proof is "weak" ? That really doesn't make sense.

Sometimes a basic, brief "proof" doesn't hold up under a thorough discussion. That's probably the reason forum rule #5 exists.

I don't think that ordering a bombing raid could be considered harmless.

The bombing raid was an action he took, not something he said. He seemed to have thought it through carefully, in addition to consulting with his cabinet beforehand.

Since we don't know the state of his finances it's hard to be certain of that.

I'm convinced that he didn't seek the presidency so he could make more money than he did, doing what he did before. His donating of his salary re-enforces that belief.

Were those before or after Syria started using gas on the rebels ?

I don't know, and it doesn't matter to me. The fact is they HAD them, and Obama officials declared they didn't.

It seems to me that the earlier gas attacks should have caused a change of position. Apparently they did not.

Earlier, as in, before he was president? Maybe so, I'm not familiar with them, their severity, or when they happened.


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marc9000
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Message 741 of 1540 (804428)
04-09-2017 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 739 by jar
04-09-2017 1:54 PM


Re: Say what?
What makes you think Trump did not seek the position for the money since it seems so far he has only used it to make money?

He's donating his entire salary, that's not very profitable. What ways has he taken in money as president?

I think his private jet was bigger than Air Force One. He lived in a more lavish place than the White House before he became president. What makes you think he sought the presidency to make money?


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Porosity
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Message 742 of 1540 (804429)
04-09-2017 2:02 PM


Fun Fact
Did you guys know that Trump personally profited from Raytheonís jump in stock directly after his Syrian attack?

While the world is dealing with both the implications and the fall-out from President Donald Trumpís missile attack on a Syrian airfield on Thursday, the manufacturer of the Tomahawk missile used in the attack is seeing their stock surge which is good news for their investors ó including the president.

As noted by the Palmer Report, Trump owns stock in Raytheon, which was reported by Business Insider in 2015.

https://www.rawstory.com/...tock-jump-after-his-syria-attack


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PaulK
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Message 743 of 1540 (804430)
04-09-2017 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 740 by marc9000
04-09-2017 1:55 PM


Re: This is great.
quote:

Sometimes a basic, brief "proof" doesn't hold up under a thorough discussion.

In that case it is up to those who disagree to refute it rather than trying to play games with the forum rules.

quote:

The bombing raid was an action he took, not something he said. He seemed to have thought it through carefully, in addition to consulting with his cabinet beforehand.

It certainly seemed to be sudden - and quite a reversal of policy, given that the Russians are backing Assad.

quote:

I'm convinced that he didn't seek the presidency so he could make more money than he did, doing what he did before. His donating of his salary re-enforces that belief

Has he actually donated his salary ? Or is that another of the things he said he would do without thinking about it ?

quote:

I don't know, and it doesn't matter to me. The fact is they HAD them, and Obama officials declared they didn't.

So, it doesn't matter to you if Trump was relying on statements known to be false by pretty much anyone who has been paying attention to the conflict ? That is bizarre.

quote:

Earlier, as in, before he was president? Maybe so, I'm not familiar with them, their severity, or when they happened.

As I remember it they were pretty much as bad as the one that just happened, or worse. Plenty of civilian deaths.

Wikipedia


Estimates of the death toll range from at least 281 people[3] to 1,729.[14] The attack was the deadliest use of chemical weapons since the IranĖIraq War.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 744 of 1540 (804435)
04-09-2017 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 737 by marc9000
04-09-2017 1:36 PM


Re: My source for my special interest accusation.
quote:

There are plenty of lobby groups that are all about promoting change which can harm society


True and they claim that they are bucking the trend and often actually claim the role of a young boy attempting to slay the giant when they are infact the Goliath himself. The sad reality is that most political debate is just alot of lame Democrat verses Republican talking points. Actual discussion of real policy that genuinely helps 99% of us, while HONESTLY only cutting the throats of greedy special interests rarely gets discussed. Instead we get alot of discussion about divisive issues that come with alot of severe side effects. Those policies need to be discussed too (though the very reason that there is the discussion in the first place is usually a top-down propaganda campaign by powerful and/or partisan special interests which falsely claim the role of the little David "bravely" fighting the giant on "behalf of the little people" when there isn't an ounce of truth to their loaded and distorted picture ).

quote:

"Free and open" in International terms can cause a greater terrorist threat . And in the case of food, it can also mean a health threat.

It can also give us a chance to have worldwide food safety standards that make the overall situation much better overall compared to the present.

I don't quite know what to make of apparent terrorist threats. It would probably be something we don't need to worry so much about but we should have government watchers to monitor the situation.

Islam followers surely come to your mind on terrorism but look at the food issue. I know that kosher food is very safe to eat due to good inspections so a worldwide regime that employs Islamic inspectors to insure halal food standards and top notch safety concerns could have the doubly beneficial effect of high safety standards and disarm extremists from claiming "persecution" (or at least prevent from gaining too much of a following).


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DrJones*
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Message 745 of 1540 (804436)
04-09-2017 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 741 by marc9000
04-09-2017 2:00 PM


Re: Say what?
What ways has he taken in money as president?

Every weekend he spends playing golf on his course in Florida feeds money into the TrumP business and into his pockets. Keeping his wife in Trump tower in NYC so that she doesn't have to be in the same city as him also brings in money.

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Porosity
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Message 746 of 1540 (804438)
04-09-2017 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 743 by PaulK
04-09-2017 2:11 PM


Re: This is great.
Has he actually donated his salary ? Or is that another of the things he said he would do without thinking about it ?

Well.. he donated his salary to the Park service but with the other hand proposed slashing spending at the Department of Interior by $1.5 billion, 12 percent of the budget at the Park Service's parent agency.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 747 of 1540 (804439)
04-09-2017 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 736 by NoNukes
04-09-2017 11:58 AM


Re: NoNukes got this one this time when he indicated our general inabilities to detect st
I interpreted your question to Mark to mean that we really don't know how we are getting screwed by special interests until the bill comes due in the time future.

Nobody knows what policy today will turn out to be seen as really bad and potentially ruinous.

A disaster causes us to see which laws were most responsible for the sad state of affairs.

Then we will try to trace the history of policy changes.

That will lead to a trail that tends to isolate the major movers that had the most to do with the implementation of the law(s).

The investigation of the historic record will, among other things, lead to details about who exactly lobbied for the legislature to make the public policy.


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PaulK
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Message 748 of 1540 (804440)
04-09-2017 2:53 PM
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04-09-2017 2:46 PM


Re: This is great.
And it seems that there is $12 billion worth of deferred maintenance. I guess if Trump remains in office for the next 30,000 years it will be covered.
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jar
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Message 749 of 1540 (804446)
04-09-2017 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 741 by marc9000
04-09-2017 2:00 PM


Re: Say what?
marc writes:

He's donating his entire salary, that's not very profitable. What ways has he taken in money as president?

We can't know, can we, since he still refuses to make his finances public.

But what we can know is that he holds events at his properties, has NOT set up the blind trust he promised, has not divorced his businesses from family even while bringing family into government; in other words, he has continued to fail to live up to the promises he made as a candidate in ANY area regarding business or finance or wealth generation.


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Message 750 of 1540 (804456)
04-09-2017 8:18 PM
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04-09-2017 2:02 PM


Re: Fun Fact
Did you guys know that Trump personally profited from Raytheonís jump in stock directly after his Syrian attack?

The most corrupt president, ever. So this is no surprise.

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