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NoNukes
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Message 1006 of 1140 (816375)
08-03-2017 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1005 by jar
08-03-2017 11:52 AM


Re: What the goal should be...
There are exception like Texas where the current government is as evil as the Trump Administration

Not all of us live in Oregon. Many of us have to live with state governments whose legislatures think that Trump is the cat's pajamas. I cannot simply ignore Trump. Your mileage may vary.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 1007 of 1140 (816377)
08-03-2017 2:27 PM


New poll numbers 33% approval ratings
Trump has had an incredibly rocky two weeks, and his poll numbers are beginning to show signs of erosion of Republican support.

quote:
Trump's numbers declined more among Republicans than they did among Democrats, who had already viewed the President unfavorably. In late June, 84% of Republicans approved of Trump's performance -- now, 76% of Republicans say the same. Seventeen percent of Republicans now say they disapprove of the way Trump is performing in the job.

Now 76% represents a huge amount of base support. But I think Trump needs mid to high 80 numbers here if the face of the poor support from independents. So this week's numbers appear to have crossed an ugly line. More data needed to see if these numbers represent a trend.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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vimesey
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Message 1008 of 1140 (816380)
08-03-2017 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1007 by NoNukes
08-03-2017 2:27 PM


Re: New poll numbers 33% approval ratings
Are they not amazing poll numbers ? The most amazing and best poll numbers an American President has ever received ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Porosity
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Message 1009 of 1140 (816384)
08-03-2017 5:05 PM
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08-03-2017 3:29 PM


Re: New poll numbers 33% approval ratings
Fake news! It's all rigged!
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Tanypteryx
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Message 1010 of 1140 (816387)
08-03-2017 5:40 PM


Mueller impanels Washington grand jury in Russia probe
The Mueller investigation seems to be heating up.

Mueller impanels Washington grand jury in Russia probe: Wall Street Journal


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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DrJones*
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Message 1011 of 1140 (816388)
08-03-2017 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1010 by Tanypteryx
08-03-2017 5:40 PM


Re: Mueller impanels Washington grand jury in Russia probe
it's promising but as I've learned from the Law and Order school of law, a good prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.
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Riggamortis
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Message 1012 of 1140 (816430)
08-04-2017 10:10 AM


Trump/Turnbull transcript.
So someone leaked a transcript of the telephone conversation between Trump and Australia's Prime Minister Turnbull, it is insightful to say the least. Trumps monstrous ego was on display along with a general incoherence and inability to understand a point.

The President: Malcom [sic], why is this so important? I do not understand. This is going to kill me. I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country. And now I am agreeing to take 2,000 people and I agree I can vet them, but that puts me in a bad position. It makes me look so bad and I have only been here a week.

Prime Minister Turnbull: With great respect, that is not right – It is not 2,000.

The President: Well, it is close. I have also heard like 5,000 as well.

Prime Minister Turnbull: The given number in the agreement is 1,250 and it is entirely a matter of your vetting. I think that what you could say is that the Australian government is consistent with the principles set out in the Executive Order.

On the other side of the fence, our PM doesn't give two hoots about the people's lives he's playing with, only maintaining face and party policy.

The bottom line is that we got here. I am asking you as a very good friend. This is a big deal. It is really, really important to us that we maintain it. It does not oblige you to take one person that you do not want. As I have said, your homeland officials have visited and they have already interviewed these people. You can decide. It is at your discretion.

That's how our 'leaders' operate, all image, no substance.


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NoNukes
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Message 1013 of 1140 (816440)
08-04-2017 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1012 by Riggamortis
08-04-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Trump/Turnbull transcript.
our PM doesn't give two hoots about the people's lives he's playing with

I think you are being overly critical of your Prime Minister. He knows that the US has already vetted those folks and will likely have to take all of them. If Trump decides to redo the process of vetting and reject those folks, there really is not diddly squat that Australia can do about it.

In short, he's just keeping it real. Our president, on the other hand, is whining about looking bad. He used the same narcissistic approach with the president of Mexico. Your PM tried to give Trump some PR advice, but in the end, he insisted that Trump use real numbers instead of fake ones (2000-5000) and he was adamant Trump keep his country's promises. Trump agreed to do just that.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 1014 of 1140 (816441)
08-04-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1012 by Riggamortis
08-04-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Trump/Turnbull transcript.
I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country.

Who talks like that?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Tanypteryx
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Message 1015 of 1140 (816442)
08-04-2017 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1014 by NoNukes
08-04-2017 12:29 PM


Re: Trump/Turnbull transcript.
I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country.

Who talks like that?

As far as I know, only one person on the planet out of 7.5 billion.

The good part is we know this is NOT fake news. Anyone who has watched 5 minutes of Don speaking knows this is exactly how he speaks.

On top of all his other personality disorders, we can also see that he is totally daft.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Lammy
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Message 1016 of 1140 (816444)
08-04-2017 2:22 PM


I still blame Trump on the Bernie or bust people who pushed Hillary too far to the left, causing a right swing in the rest of the country.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Riggamortis
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Message 1017 of 1140 (816458)
08-04-2017 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1013 by NoNukes
08-04-2017 12:22 PM


Re: Trump/Turnbull transcript.
Did you read the whole thing? Turnbull was firm (you have to be with children) and got what 'Australia' wanted but he also appeared to be handing Trump a blank cheque regarding Australia returning the favour;

Prime Minister Turnbull: Okay, I will explain why. It is not because they are bad people. It is because in order to stop people smugglers, we had to deprive them of the product. So we said if you try to come to Australia by boat, even if we think you are the best person in the world, even if you are a Noble [sic] Prize winning genius, we will not let you in. Because the problem with the people –

The President: That is a good idea. We should do that too. You are worse than I am.

Prime Minister Turnbull: Please, if we can agree to stick to the deal, you have complete discretion in terms of a security assessment. The numbers are not 2,000 but 1,250 to start. Basically, we are taking people from the previous administration that they were very keen on getting out of the United States. We will take more. We will take anyone that you want us to take. The only people that we do not take are people who come by boat. So we would rather take a not very attractive guy that help you out then to take a Noble [sic] Peace Prize winner that comes by boat. That is the point.

In order to stop people who arrive by boat we detain them offshore at great expense for years and then once they're vetted we send them to the US and take 'anyone you want us to take' in return. It's not about protecting Australians from anything, in fact, he's willing to put us in danger to keep his anti-boat people policy. Take our vetted boat people and give us your nutjobs.

The logic behind the policy is that if we don't let boat people re-settle here under any circumstance then they won't bother coming in the first place. That we're re-settling them in other first world countries seems a little self-defeating really, the horrible conditions we detain them in during the vetting process becomes the only real deterrent.

Here is the Facebook comment I found that link on;

FBguy writes:

How many of you read the entire transcript? I'm far from a Trump supporter but in this instance it is a very interesting insight into a leader sticking firmly to his policy and another leader trying to broker a deal by his own admission, for political perception only. Trump came out of this one looking pretty good. Trumbull looked underhanded and frankly negotiated terribly.

I certainly don't agree that Trump looked good and I can't see where Turnbull 'negotiated terribly' but he was certainly underhanded. Turnbull is tough on boat people because it plays on the underlying racism in Australia and wins votes, meanwhile, he's happy to let in upto 200k skilled immigrants each year while Australia has an un/der-employment problem. My dissatisfaction stems from a general weariness of pointless political rhetoric and the absence of meaningful policy.

Edited by Riggamortis, : No reason given.


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NoNukes
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Message 1018 of 1140 (816461)
08-04-2017 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1017 by Riggamortis
08-04-2017 7:17 PM


Re: Trump/Turnbull transcript.
Did you read the whole thing?

Actually no. I assumed you had quoted enough to make your points.

I certainly don't agree that Trump looked good and I can't see where Turnbull 'negotiated terribly' but he was certainly underhanded. Turnbull is tough on boat people because it plays on the underlying racism in Australia and wins votes

Yeah, I see that there is quite a bit more going on and a quick bit of research does paint Turnbull in a lot worse light that did the lines you quoted in your first post. I admit to not following what is going on in Australia all that closely. Thanks for responding to my question.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Riggamortis
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Message 1019 of 1140 (816462)
08-04-2017 8:31 PM
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08-04-2017 2:22 PM


What for?
Bernie should've run as an independent. I can understand people's frustration with Trumps regressive LBGT policies and general stupidity but I'm not convinced Hillary would have been better, all thing considered. Her planned invasion of Syria and the possible consequences of such a move, for example.
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Riggamortis
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Message 1020 of 1140 (816465)
08-04-2017 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1018 by NoNukes
08-04-2017 8:00 PM


Re: Trump/Turnbull transcript.
Actually no. I assumed you had quoted enough to make your points.

Too much material to choose from and I didn't think anyone would care about me criticising Turnbull. The whole thing is an interesting insight into the way they operate behind closed doors. Trump is the same, a bumbling fool. Turnbull is a cunning scumbag, confirming what most of Australia already knew.

I think Trump genuinely has a messiah complex given that he is no more humble when speaking to other world leaders. I can understand him using rhetoric like this against political opponents but with those you have to 'make deals' with?

Look, I do not know how you got them to sign a deal like this, but that is how they lost the election. They said I had no way to 270 and I got 306. That is why they lost the election, because of stupid deals like this. You have brokered many a stupid deal in business and I respect you, but I guarantee that you broke many a stupid deal. This is a stupid deal. This deal will make me look terrible.

Also funny considering Turnbull was born upper-middle class and is now worth some $90M. Trump isn't even really that successful in the grand scheme of things.


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