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NoNukes
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Message 1051 of 1564 (816656)
08-09-2017 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1047 by marc9000
08-08-2017 9:02 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
o you have nothing bad to say about Kim Jong Un? Most of the Democrat news media doesn't seem to have a problem with him either.

I did not notice this bit of idiocy, marc9000. Kim Jong Un is bad enough. In case my posts are difficult to understand, the point is that exchanging threats that you cannot back up is a piss poor strategy for dealing with North Korea. Okay, now Kim Jong Un threatens Guam. Trump does what? Tweet?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 1052 of 1564 (816674)
08-09-2017 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1051 by NoNukes
08-09-2017 12:14 AM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
Trump is a moron whose utterances are either lies or empty bluster. We know that all too well and the world knows that too. Including North Korea. That is part of the problem.
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JonF
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Message 1053 of 1564 (816682)
08-09-2017 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1044 by marc9000
08-08-2017 8:36 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
It's an effort, but let me see what I can do.

You expected us to do a line-by-line rebuttal but the same is just too much for you?

What you have done is pathetic, ignoring almost all the eviscerations of your BS.

Coal isn't mined for no reason. If there's no demand, there is no supply. Free markets work really well in some cases.

Yep. And it's worked well for coal. Coal has lost out. Coal is dying. Pinin' for the fjords. It's too dirty and too expensive. Natural gas is the fossil fuel of choice for the foreseeable future.

So the Trump administration wants to bring it back by magic (none of this free market crap) and cancel programs for coal workers to get different jobs. I.e. no free market.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 1054 of 1564 (816683)
08-09-2017 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1046 by marc9000
08-08-2017 8:49 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments or the lack thereof
So in the year 2100, the planet will be 2 degrees Celsius warmer. I'm very concerned.

You should be. It's a gigantic deal. Humans will survive, most of our civilization will survive, after an economic crisis that makes the Great Depression look like a minor blip.

There's some reason to believe it's too late to avoid that, but we could still take actions that would ameliorate it.


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JonF
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Message 1055 of 1564 (816684)
08-09-2017 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1047 by marc9000
08-08-2017 9:02 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
the U.S. military has some pretty pinpoint-accurate hardware that could possibly vaporize only a large enough area to make SURE the fat man doesn't survive.

Probably not. We can't vaporize entire mountains yet.

North Korea's Secret Strategy in a War with America: Go Underground

But we sure as hell could start a nuclear holocaust including near-total destruction of South Korea and millions of refugees from both Koreas. Since all Trump knows is bullying and suing, and he can't sue, we're well on our way.


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Message 1056 of 1564 (816685)
08-09-2017 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1047 by marc9000
08-08-2017 9:02 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
Most of the Democrat news media doesn't seem to have a problem with him either.

Bullshit. Link to some sources that "don't have a problem with him".


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Message 1057 of 1564 (816686)
08-09-2017 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1047 by marc9000
08-08-2017 9:02 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
marc9000 writes:

I can't think of anyone I'd rather have than Trump as president if North Korea succeeds in destroying any part of the U.S. with a nuclear warhead.

If Trump shit in a bowl you would call it the most amazing chocolate ice cream ever made. The lack of objectivity among Trump supporters is probably the scariest part of the whole thing.


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Message 1058 of 1564 (816688)
08-09-2017 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1046 by marc9000
08-08-2017 8:49 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments or the lack thereof
marc9000 writes:

What this means then, is no matter how much the EPA strips U.S. citizens of their liberty and money, climate change will continue, and those government officials and scientists who made those decisions will face no accountability for their actions.

Scientists didn't decide that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. You might as well say that scientists are all keeping us down because they decided that gravity is an attractive force.

Also, do you feel like your liberties have been taken away because you can't buy leaded gasoline at the pump? I mean, c'mon.


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marc9000
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Message 1059 of 1564 (816715)
08-09-2017 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1048 by NoNukes
08-08-2017 9:38 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
Consumer confidence is on the same trend it was on before Trump took office.

Wrong, it peaked in mid May at 97.7.

https://www.cnbc.com/...2017-us-consumer-sentiment-data.html

(that's from one of Trump's many enemies, CNBC, in case you want to poison the wells)

But you got 3 green dots!

marc9000 writes:

So do you think consumer confidence would be the same today under a Hillary presidency?

At some point, you are going to have to accept that Hilary is not the president.

I didn't think you'd answer the question. But I expected a better dance than that. But you got 3 green dots! I promise I'll work harder on accepting that Hillary isn't the president. (I love this place)

I know that you are not twelve years old. Surely you don't believe that such an action would have no negative consequences for us or our allies.

I remember what Reagan ordered done to Libya back in 1986, so I'd have to be over 12 years old. It worked well, we didn't have any more trouble with Libya after that. I'm a little too young to remember what Truman did to Japan in 1945. But we didn't have any more trouble with Japan after that.

The news media has predictably gone into a frenzy over Trump's "fire and fury" comments. I heard audio recordings of Jake Tapper today claiming that no U.S. president has ever issued such shocking threats before. Then I heard audio recordings of what Harry Truman said about Japan in 1945, before he ordered bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He was actually a little more harsh in his words than Trump was. But how could anyone expect Jake Tapper to know anything about U.S. history from 75 years ago?

Then I heard audio recordings from Bill Clinton during his presidency, and similar audio recordings from Obama during his presidency, both claiming that their peaceful negotiations with Iran and North Korea ASSURED us that neither country was any threat to develop nuclear weapons, because they promised not to. The ineptness of previous administrations is not Trump's fault.


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marc9000
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Message 1060 of 1564 (816716)
08-09-2017 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1053 by JonF
08-09-2017 11:21 AM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
You expected us to do a line-by-line rebuttal but the same is just too much for you?

Why would I want to rebut something that I posted and basically approve of? AND YOU GOT A GREEN DOT hahahahahaha


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marc9000
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Message 1061 of 1564 (816717)
08-09-2017 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1050 by dwise1
08-08-2017 11:02 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
He should have talked with a veteran first before launching into that fantasy. Yes, we do have some ordinance that is very accurate. For example, there's the B-52. Still servicing long after retirement age and it still hits its target 100% of the time, the ground. Now, does the asset that we want to destroy happen to be where the bombs fall? We don't know; that depends on intelligence, on knowing where the targeted asset actually happens to be.

So as a master veteran, the B-52 is the extent of your knowledge of the current military capabilities? And all it can do is hit....the ground? And you got 5 green dots?

Add to that collateral damage. In every attack, especially in civilian environments, there is always collateral damage. How much collateral damage is acceptable in order to get that one single asset you are after? Take out an entire building that you think he's in? Take out an entire city that you think he's in? Blanket an entire country that you think he's in? And if he's hunkered down in a hardened shelter that can survive a blanket attack, how do you ensure that you still get him?

We can use our previous experiences with Japan in 45, and Libya in 1986. Do you have ANY IDEA what happened in those years?

Stupid civilians like marc9000 never get that far, but veterans do.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/...-military-veterans-approve

PLEASE KEEP POSTING - I LOVE THIS PLACE!


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NoNukes
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Message 1062 of 1564 (816718)
08-09-2017 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1059 by marc9000
08-09-2017 8:02 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
Wrong, it peaked in mid May at 97.7.

The consumer confidence index was at 115 in December 2016. It was about 109 in November before the election.

remember what Reagan ordered done to Libya back in 1986, so I'd have to be over 12 years old. It worked well, we didn't have any more trouble with Libya after that.

We've already gotten a response to Trump's nonsense. It appears that we are going to continue to have trouble with North Korea. You are welcome to the last word. I'm at my thread limit for responding.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 1063 of 1564 (816726)
08-10-2017 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1062 by NoNukes
08-09-2017 9:56 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
We've already gotten a response to Trump's nonsense. It appears that we are going to continue to have trouble with North Korea

Actually, there is a very simple solution to this entire "North Korea problem" "fake news". Have North Korea allow Trump to build a hotel or golf course in North Korea. In an instant Trump will become best buds with Kim Jong Un and will not blink an eyelash at anything that ass-wipe says or does.

If it lines Trump's pocket, it's good enough for Trump. Screw America.


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Message 1064 of 1564 (816727)
08-10-2017 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1051 by NoNukes
08-09-2017 12:14 AM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
In case my posts are difficult to understand, the point is that exchanging threats that you cannot back up is a piss poor strategy for dealing with North Korea

Basically, this has gotten to the level of the two "alpha males" (please allow Trump this classification for argument's sake) making a big show over who has the larger penis.

Sorry, but Trump loses both small hands down. Asian stereotypes notwithstanding.


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Message 1065 of 1564 (816728)
08-10-2017 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1061 by marc9000
08-09-2017 8:13 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
marc9000, if you are such a fucking idiot, why do you even bother to post in public in order to demonstrate what a fucking idiot you are?

Do please state a synopsis of your service record.

Mine: USAF active duty, six years, Cold Warrior serving on a SAC base in the Northern Tier. US Navy Reserve (admittedly, the name did change part-way through my tenure), 29 years, retired CPO.

So as a master veteran, the B-52 is the extent of your knowledge of the current military capabilities? And all it can do is hit....the ground?

In the heavy bombardment mode, that is precisely what the B-52 was designed to do. And it did so 100% of the time.

Looking at other USA air-to-surface ordnance, the success rate is lower. 0.7, 0.1, 0.95, 0.15, 0.85, 0.75. Actually, there was one other with a 100% success rate: AS-3 Kangaroo. A nuke. As the old horseshoes adage goes, "close doesn't count except for hand grenades and nukes."

B-52 heavy bombardment targeted the ground and all the ordnance released did in fact hit the ground. 100% success rate each and every time. Suck that up, butter-cup.

We can use our previous experiences with Japan in 45, and Libya in 1986. Do you have ANY IDEA what happened in those years?

As a matter of fact, yes I do have an idea of what had happened then.

The scenario in question is the hunting down and elimination of the country's leader through military action.

Japan 1945. The country's leader was not hunted down and eliminated by military action. In the face of our nuclear arsenal (the wad we had completely shot by the time we had reached Nagasaki), Japan surrendered. Just what the fuck does that have to do with North Korea who has a nuclear response of its own?

Libya 1986. Yes, the Gulf of Sidra Yacht Club ... the US Navy has informal patches for that evolution. Was Gaddafi ever a target of that assault? No. So then just what the fuck does that have to do with your blatherings?

Do you have ANY IDEA what happened in those years?

Yes, I do. DO YOU???? Obviously not!

marc9000 writes:


DWise1 writes:

Stupid civilians like marc9000 never get that far, but veterans do.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/...-military-veterans-approve


From marc9000's linked source:
quote:
Republican military veterans.

I believe that we have already established that Republicans are brain-damaged.

In contrast, what do all military veterans say? Why doesn't marc9000 quote them?


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