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JonF
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Message 1066 of 1562 (816735)
08-10-2017 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1060 by marc9000
08-09-2017 8:07 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
Why would I want to rebut something that I posted and basically approve of?

A little slow on the uptake, hum?

You got quite a bit of your requested line-by-line rebuttal. Were you honest you'd address those line-by-line rebuttals line-by-line. But you said it's too hard to do what you expect others to do. Hypocrisy.


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NoNukes
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Message 1067 of 1562 (816759)
08-10-2017 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1064 by dwise1
08-10-2017 3:05 AM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
making a big show over who has the larger penis.

The same metaphor had occurred to me, but I prefer the term "pocket missile" because it is an obvious euphemism for penis and also hints at ICBMs that are part of the threat.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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marc9000
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Message 1068 of 1562 (816760)
08-10-2017 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1057 by Taq
08-09-2017 11:33 AM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
If Trump shit in a bowl you would call it the most amazing chocolate ice cream ever made. The lack of objectivity among Trump supporters is probably the scariest part of the whole thing.

This is just another example of the pot calling the kettle black. Obama regularly filled bowls for 8 years, and his base winked and nodded the whole time.


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marc9000
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Message 1069 of 1562 (816761)
08-10-2017 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1062 by NoNukes
08-09-2017 9:56 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
The consumer confidence index was at 115 in December 2016. It was about 109 in November before the election.

In November before the election? There weren't many days in November before the election. Too bad you didn't list a source, we could check that out.

I'm at my thread limit for responding.

That's too bad, dwise1 came here late to help you out, now you abandon him when he needs you the most. Shame shame.


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JonF
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Message 1070 of 1562 (816762)
08-10-2017 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1069 by marc9000
08-10-2017 7:35 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
Figured out what I meant?

How's that line-by-line defense of your rebutted claims coming?

Oh, you have none?

Figures.


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marc9000
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Message 1071 of 1562 (816763)
08-10-2017 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1066 by JonF
08-10-2017 8:35 AM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
You got quite a bit of your requested line-by-line rebuttal.

Only one small one from you however. Is the following, from another poster, what you would consider "quite a bit" of response?

quote:
Not an accomplishment.

Not an accomplishment

Not an accomplishment

Not an accomplishment

Not an accomplishment


This stuff does tend to run together when I'm facing a gang. If the "rebuttals" are obviously not worth discussing because of impossible-to-change worldviews, I tend to ignore them. I tend to do that when facing gangs. It doesn't violate forum rules.


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marc9000
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Message 1072 of 1562 (816766)
08-10-2017 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1065 by dwise1
08-10-2017 3:48 AM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
marc9000, if you are such a fucking idiot, why do you even bother to post in public in order to demonstrate what a fucking idiot you are?

People don't get mad when lies are told about them, they get mad when the truth is told about them.

I post here to try to find out how the liberal mind works. I see this profanity laced rant of yours got a green dot from an administrator. The same administrator that bolted when I responded in a reasonable way to his previous post. I'm not very successful in my endeavor, because liberals can't seem to discuss much of anything without flying off the handle and getting all emotional when the time comes to rationally explain their position. I see it a lot from other sources too, when other conservatives are trying to find out what the liberal rationale is. Doesn't seem to be much hope for progress on it.

Do please state a synopsis of your service record.

I never claimed to have a service record. I don't think that makes me completely unqualified to take a look at military capabilities, or the history of military action. If you're such a better human than me because you're in the military, let me hasten to remind you that the previous president didn't have a military service record either.

Mine: USAF active duty, six years, Cold Warrior serving on a SAC base in the Northern Tier. US Navy Reserve (admittedly, the name did change part-way through my tenure), 29 years, retired CPO.

And in your previous post when you were referring to U.S. military capabilities, (my reference to precision targeting) you only mentioned the B-52, a unit that originated in the 1950's. You didn't mention the B-1, a unit that originated in the 1970's. A unit that does have better precision capabilities than the B-52. Were you trying to mislead your helpers here about U.S. military capabilities?

The scenario in question is the hunting down and elimination of the country's leader through military action.

Not necessarily the elimination of the country's leader, the pounding of him into submission, to get him to stop doing what he's doing. The scenario was EXACTLY the same with Japan in 1945, Libya in 1986, and Kim Jong Un in 2017.

Japan 1945. The country's leader was not hunted down and eliminated by military action. In the face of our nuclear arsenal (the wad we had completely shot by the time we had reached Nagasaki), Japan surrendered. Just what the fuck does that have to do with North Korea who has a nuclear response of its own?

Here's what it has to do with it - some gang members here, NoNukes I think, maybe you too, I'm not going to go back and check all the details of just what was said by whom - were claiming there would be all kinds of collateral damage, all kinds of new dangers of retaliation from North Korea and its MANY allies, if we do any type of military strike. If that didn't happen past recent U.S. military strikes that were similar to what this one would be, there's no reason to think it would for sure happen this time.

Libya 1986. Yes, the Gulf of Sidra Yacht Club ... the US Navy has informal patches for that evolution. Was Gaddafi ever a target of that assault? No. So then just what the fuck does that have to do with your blatherings?

Has Trump ever said that Kim Jong Un himself is a specific target of "fire and fury"? No he hasn't. So there's no difference in what Trump is contemplating doing now, versus what past presidents did.

I believe that we have already established that Republicans are brain-damaged.

Were you only surrounded by liberals the entire time you were in the service? Did you ever get into any political discussions with other military service people that were not liberals? It seems that you have not, you seem completely unhinged, as if you've never seen my type of opinions before. Do you really think I'm that unusual? Do you know who John Bolten is? Do you know who James Mattis is? Would you like to kill him? You should try to get out more. Watch Fox News every once in a while, Bolten is on there often. You'll get really mad, but you should be able to be at least somewhat more composed when you see someone like me on a message board later on.

If you want to respond to this, take a couple of days. Shoot some birds, find a frog and pull his legs off slowly. Then maybe when you respond, you won't sound like a middle school child that didn't get his ADHD medicine that morning.


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NoNukes
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Message 1073 of 1562 (816768)
08-11-2017 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1069 by marc9000
08-10-2017 7:35 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
Too bad you didn't list a source, we could check that out.

Really? You cannot check this stuff out without my citing a source?

Since you asked...

https://www.bloomberg.com/...index-decreased-to-117-9-in-may

The above is a link to the data on consumer confidence. There is an upward trend up until the beginning of this year. Said trend starting well before any elections. If consumer confidence is increasing now, it is only after a substantial downturn starting after Trump's election.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 1074 of 1562 (816773)
08-11-2017 6:40 AM


Angela!
I'm rooting for Angela. She would keep the fever down.
    
JonF
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Message 1075 of 1562 (816779)
08-11-2017 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1071 by marc9000
08-10-2017 7:46 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
You got quite a bit of your requested line-by-line rebuttal.

Only one small one from you however

To which you did not respond. But you got significantly more than that.

Only one small one from you however. Is the following, from another poster, what you would consider "quite a bit" of response?

quote:

Not an accomplishment.

Not an accomplishment

Not an accomplishment

Not an accomplishment

Not an accomplishment


It's a response which you ignored. You could have argued why you think they are accomplishments. However, I was referring to Message 1027 to which you did reply but did not address the points NoNukes raised. Here it is again with some annotations.

quote:
01. Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch - Plus for Republican voters.
02. 59 missiles dropped in Syria. - Not a plus. Did not accomplish much of anything.
03. He took us out of ‘TPP' - We were never in it, but plus for base
04. Illegal immigration is now down 70% (the lowest in 17 years) - Plus for base
05. Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index 125.6 - continued trend from Obama era; not a plus since Trump has not implemented any economic policy to speak of
06. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a 7 year high. You might want to check the data on this one. Overall mortgage activity is headed down right now.

07. Arranged 20% Tariff on soft lumber from Canada. - Started a trade war with Canada when other administrations were able to negotiate a deal. Not a plus.

08. Bids for border wall are well underway. - Bids on something for which there is no budget. Not an accomplishment.

09. Pulled out of the lopsided 'Paris Accord'. Plus for wingnuts
10. Keystone pipeline approved. Mixed bag, but plus for base [May not ever be built because it's not economical - JonF]
11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3% A trivial increase. If they were spending 1.5% of GDP, this would be a bump to 1.56%. In short, not an accomplishment.

12. Allowing VA to terminate bad employees. Plus

13. Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans. The president signed a bill extending a previous program. Not much of an accomplishment.

14. More than 600,000. Jobs created About the same number as were created over the same period last year. In fact somewhat fewer this year. [fewer than the preceding six months and fewer than the same six months one , two, three, and four years before. Not an accomplishment. - JonF]

15. Median household income at a 7 year high. Continuing an existing trend. How much of this, not having screwed things up yet are we going to call accomplishments.

16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever In its history. Apparently just a bit more.

17. China agreed to American import of beef. This was announced in September. Total nonsense that this is on your list.

18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks. Need some details.

19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining. An accomplishment that we will suffer for, but the base likes it. Call it an accomplishment for the base.

20. MOAB for ISIS An accomplishment of some sort. Allowed the generals to decide to drop a big bomb. Is this what makes you happy?

21. Travel ban reinstated. Partially reinstated. The portions we all knew were unconstitutional were not reinstated.


Item by item as you asked us to do, please.

Edited by JonF, : Fix message link.


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NoNukes
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Message 1076 of 1562 (816781)
08-11-2017 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1075 by JonF
08-11-2017 9:06 AM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
Item by item as you asked us to do, please.

Marc9000 has already made a BS response about why he does not respond. He says it is because he is facing a "gang". However, I have noticed, and commented in the past, that even when I am the only way pressing him, that he seldom defends the nonsense that he posts. His response then was that he did not have to defend.

That's why I limit my exchanges with marc9000. He has no intention of standing behind the crap he posts. I cannot really blame him. As you have just seen, his ideas are easily rebutted by facts.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 1077 of 1562 (816819)
08-11-2017 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1068 by marc9000
08-10-2017 7:31 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
marc9000 writes:


This is just another example of the pot calling the kettle black. Obama regularly filled bowls for 8 years, and his base winked and nodded the whole time.

Did Obama start a name-calling war with N. Korea? Nope. Did Obama think that he had been responsible for a nuclear weapon buildup in his first 6 months in office? Nope. Did Obama think that health insurance costs $12 a month? Nope. Did Obama brag about grabbing women's pussies without their consent? Nope. Did Obama say that he had the largest electoral victory since Reagan? Nope.

I could keep going, if you want.


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marc9000
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Message 1078 of 1562 (816833)
08-11-2017 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1075 by JonF
08-11-2017 9:06 AM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
Item by item as you asked us to do, please.

I'll do that soon, provided you do me one little favor. In my message 1069, NoNukes and I had this exchange;

NoNukes writes:

The consumer confidence index was at 115 in December 2016. It was about 109 in November before the election.

marc9000 writes:

In November before the election? There weren't many days in November before the election. Too bad you didn't list a source, we could check that out.

Then from his Message 1073

NoNukes writes:

Really? You cannot check this stuff out without my citing a source?

Since you asked...

https://www.bloomberg.com/...index-decreased-to-117-9-in-may

The above is a link to the data on consumer confidence. There is an upward trend up until the beginning of this year. Said trend starting well before any elections. If consumer confidence is increasing now, it is only after a substantial downturn starting after Trump's election.

It's been a long hard week and I'm tired. Could you please show me on that link where it breaks down the consumer confidence from last November 1st thru the 7th, and then again from November 9th thru the 30th?

Shouldn't take you but a minute. Once you do that, I'll go over all those rebuttals line by line.


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marc9000
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Message 1079 of 1562 (816835)
08-11-2017 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1077 by Taq
08-11-2017 3:31 PM


Re: Writing checks with your mouth, that your butt cannot cash..
Did Obama start a name-calling war with N. Korea? Nope.

Did Trump? Do you believe that the current problem we have with Kim Jong Un is Trump's fault? It is true that the news media is trying to make as many people as possible believe that. But the fact is that Trump inherited the North Korean problem 100%.

Here's what Al Gore recently said;

quote:
The former VP says “his intemperate comments on North Korea were really unwise,” but reasons, “I think it’s only fair to point out he inherited this crisis. The previous three presidents were not able to find an adequate solution [to the North Korea crisis], so he can’t be blamed for all this.”

http://ijr.com/...-asked-trumps-fire-fury-threat-north-korea

Then there was this, from Trump, 18 years ago;

quote:
"These people, in three or four years, are going to have nuclear weapons. They're going to have them pointed all over the world and specifically at the United States.

The biggest problem this world has is nuclear proliferation. [...] You know it, and every politician knows it, and nobody wants to talk about it."

The future president went on to ask about disarming North Korea: “Do you want to do it in five years when they have warheads all over the place? Pointing to Washington, pointing to New York? Or do you want to do it now?”

Now it seems, the president was right.


http://ijr.com/...hills-listening-trump-say-north-korea-1999

It's too bad that about 1/3 of the U.S. population, and about 90% of the press, HOPE that a military confrontation happens now with North Korea, if it provides them with a path to try to get Trump removed from office. That's the whole idea, the whole plan, they would sacrifice part of the U.S. to a nuclear attack, they would sacrifice any number of things that would be good for the U.S., if it would provide them with a way to get Trump out.


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NoNukes
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Message 1080 of 1562 (816843)
08-12-2017 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1078 by marc9000
08-11-2017 8:16 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
It's been a long hard week and I'm tired. Could you please show me on that link where it breaks down the consumer confidence from last November 1st thru the 7th, and then again from November 9th thru the 30th?

This request is beyond stupid. It borders on being fraudulent.

1) Consumer confidence is not computed daily.
2) I provided you a graph showing the data for an extensive period. Sufficient to verify the trend that has been discussed.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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