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JonF Member (Idle past 167 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Why would I want to rebut something that I posted and basically approve of? A little slow on the uptake, hum? You got quite a bit of your requested line-by-line rebuttal. Were you honest you'd address those line-by-line rebuttals line-by-line. But you said it's too hard to do what you expect others to do. Hypocrisy.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
making a big show over who has the larger penis. The same metaphor had occurred to me, but I prefer the term "pocket missile" because it is an obvious euphemism for penis and also hints at ICBMs that are part of the threat. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
If Trump shit in a bowl you would call it the most amazing chocolate ice cream ever made. The lack of objectivity among Trump supporters is probably the scariest part of the whole thing. This is just another example of the pot calling the kettle black. Obama regularly filled bowls for 8 years, and his base winked and nodded the whole time.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
The consumer confidence index was at 115 in December 2016. It was about 109 in November before the election. In November before the election? There weren't many days in November before the election. Too bad you didn't list a source, we could check that out.
I'm at my thread limit for responding. That's too bad, dwise1 came here late to help you out, now you abandon him when he needs you the most. Shame shame.
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JonF Member (Idle past 167 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Figured out what I meant?
How's that line-by-line defense of your rebutted claims coming? Oh, you have none? Figures.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
You got quite a bit of your requested line-by-line rebuttal. Only one small one from you however. Is the following, from another poster, what you would consider "quite a bit" of response?
quote: This stuff does tend to run together when I'm facing a gang. If the "rebuttals" are obviously not worth discussing because of impossible-to-change worldviews, I tend to ignore them. I tend to do that when facing gangs. It doesn't violate forum rules.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
marc9000, if you are such a fucking idiot, why do you even bother to post in public in order to demonstrate what a fucking idiot you are? People don't get mad when lies are told about them, they get mad when the truth is told about them. I post here to try to find out how the liberal mind works. I see this profanity laced rant of yours got a green dot from an administrator. The same administrator that bolted when I responded in a reasonable way to his previous post. I'm not very successful in my endeavor, because liberals can't seem to discuss much of anything without flying off the handle and getting all emotional when the time comes to rationally explain their position. I see it a lot from other sources too, when other conservatives are trying to find out what the liberal rationale is. Doesn't seem to be much hope for progress on it.
Do please state a synopsis of your service record. I never claimed to have a service record. I don't think that makes me completely unqualified to take a look at military capabilities, or the history of military action. If you're such a better human than me because you're in the military, let me hasten to remind you that the previous president didn't have a military service record either.
Mine: USAF active duty, six years, Cold Warrior serving on a SAC base in the Northern Tier. US Navy Reserve (admittedly, the name did change part-way through my tenure), 29 years, retired CPO. And in your previous post when you were referring to U.S. military capabilities, (my reference to precision targeting) you only mentioned the B-52, a unit that originated in the 1950's. You didn't mention the B-1, a unit that originated in the 1970's. A unit that does have better precision capabilities than the B-52. Were you trying to mislead your helpers here about U.S. military capabilities?
The scenario in question is the hunting down and elimination of the country's leader through military action. Not necessarily the elimination of the country's leader, the pounding of him into submission, to get him to stop doing what he's doing. The scenario was EXACTLY the same with Japan in 1945, Libya in 1986, and Kim Jong Un in 2017.
Japan 1945. The country's leader was not hunted down and eliminated by military action. In the face of our nuclear arsenal (the wad we had completely shot by the time we had reached Nagasaki), Japan surrendered. Just what the fuck does that have to do with North Korea who has a nuclear response of its own? Here's what it has to do with it - some gang members here, NoNukes I think, maybe you too, I'm not going to go back and check all the details of just what was said by whom - were claiming there would be all kinds of collateral damage, all kinds of new dangers of retaliation from North Korea and its MANY allies, if we do any type of military strike. If that didn't happen past recent U.S. military strikes that were similar to what this one would be, there's no reason to think it would for sure happen this time.
Libya 1986. Yes, the Gulf of Sidra Yacht Club ... the US Navy has informal patches for that evolution. Was Gaddafi ever a target of that assault? No. So then just what the fuck does that have to do with your blatherings? Has Trump ever said that Kim Jong Un himself is a specific target of "fire and fury"? No he hasn't. So there's no difference in what Trump is contemplating doing now, versus what past presidents did.
I believe that we have already established that Republicans are brain-damaged. Were you only surrounded by liberals the entire time you were in the service? Did you ever get into any political discussions with other military service people that were not liberals? It seems that you have not, you seem completely unhinged, as if you've never seen my type of opinions before. Do you really think I'm that unusual? Do you know who John Bolten is? Do you know who James Mattis is? Would you like to kill him? You should try to get out more. Watch Fox News every once in a while, Bolten is on there often. You'll get really mad, but you should be able to be at least somewhat more composed when you see someone like me on a message board later on. If you want to respond to this, take a couple of days. Shoot some birds, find a frog and pull his legs off slowly. Then maybe when you respond, you won't sound like a middle school child that didn't get his ADHD medicine that morning.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Too bad you didn't list a source, we could check that out. Really? You cannot check this stuff out without my citing a source? Since you asked... Bloomberg - Are you a robot? The above is a link to the data on consumer confidence. There is an upward trend up until the beginning of this year. Said trend starting well before any elections. If consumer confidence is increasing now, it is only after a substantial downturn starting after Trump's election. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I'm rooting for Angela. She would keep the fever down.
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JonF Member (Idle past 167 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You got quite a bit of your requested line-by-line rebuttal.
Only one small one from you however To which you did not respond. But you got significantly more than that.
Only one small one from you however. Is the following, from another poster, what you would consider "quite a bit" of response?
quote: It's a response which you ignored. You could have argued why you think they are accomplishments. However, I was referring to Message 1027 to which you did reply but did not address the points NoNukes raised. Here it is again with some annotations.
quote: Item by item as you asked us to do, please. Edited by JonF, : Fix message link.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Item by item as you asked us to do, please. Marc9000 has already made a BS response about why he does not respond. He says it is because he is facing a "gang". However, I have noticed, and commented in the past, that even when I am the only way pressing him, that he seldom defends the nonsense that he posts. His response then was that he did not have to defend. That's why I limit my exchanges with marc9000. He has no intention of standing behind the crap he posts. I cannot really blame him. As you have just seen, his ideas are easily rebutted by facts. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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marc9000 writes:
This is just another example of the pot calling the kettle black. Obama regularly filled bowls for 8 years, and his base winked and nodded the whole time.
Did Obama start a name-calling war with N. Korea? Nope. Did Obama think that he had been responsible for a nuclear weapon buildup in his first 6 months in office? Nope. Did Obama think that health insurance costs $12 a month? Nope. Did Obama brag about grabbing women's pussies without their consent? Nope. Did Obama say that he had the largest electoral victory since Reagan? Nope. I could keep going, if you want.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Item by item as you asked us to do, please. I'll do that soon, provided you do me one little favor. In my message 1069, NoNukes and I had this exchange;
NoNukes writes: The consumer confidence index was at 115 in December 2016. It was about 109 in November before the election. marc9000 writes: In November before the election? There weren't many days in November before the election. Too bad you didn't list a source, we could check that out. Then from his Message 1073 NoNukes writes: Really? You cannot check this stuff out without my citing a source? Since you asked... Bloomberg - Are you a robot? The above is a link to the data on consumer confidence. There is an upward trend up until the beginning of this year. Said trend starting well before any elections. If consumer confidence is increasing now, it is only after a substantial downturn starting after Trump's election. It's been a long hard week and I'm tired. Could you please show me on that link where it breaks down the consumer confidence from last November 1st thru the 7th, and then again from November 9th thru the 30th? Shouldn't take you but a minute. Once you do that, I'll go over all those rebuttals line by line.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Did Obama start a name-calling war with N. Korea? Nope. Did Trump? Do you believe that the current problem we have with Kim Jong Un is Trump's fault? It is true that the news media is trying to make as many people as possible believe that. But the fact is that Trump inherited the North Korean problem 100%. Here's what Al Gore recently said;
quote: Page not found | IJR Then there was this, from Trump, 18 years ago;
quote: Page not found | IJR It's too bad that about 1/3 of the U.S. population, and about 90% of the press, HOPE that a military confrontation happens now with North Korea, if it provides them with a path to try to get Trump removed from office. That's the whole idea, the whole plan, they would sacrifice part of the U.S. to a nuclear attack, they would sacrifice any number of things that would be good for the U.S., if it would provide them with a way to get Trump out.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It's been a long hard week and I'm tired. Could you please show me on that link where it breaks down the consumer confidence from last November 1st thru the 7th, and then again from November 9th thru the 30th? This request is beyond stupid. It borders on being fraudulent. 1) Consumer confidence is not computed daily.2) I provided you a graph showing the data for an extensive period. Sufficient to verify the trend that has been discussed. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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