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DrJones*
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Message 1171 of 1205 (818620)
08-31-2017 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1168 by riVeRraT
08-30-2017 11:39 PM


That government needs to be leveled. It's a human rights issue for me.

And how do you do that without millions of deaths in Seoul?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Percy
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Message 1172 of 1205 (818635)
08-31-2017 12:37 PM


Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
This Fox News report on a Fox News Poll contains the following tidbits, quoted verbatim:

  • Voter satisfaction with the direction of the nation is down by double digits, as a majority says President Donald Trump is tearing the country apart.

  • The number of voters happy with how things are going in the country is down 10 percentage points since April and stands at just 35 percent.

  • [Trump's] job ratings are increasingly negative -- and 56 percent feel Trump’s “tearing the country apart,” versus 33 percent who say he’s “drawing the country together.”

  • About two-thirds of Republicans feel Trump is drawing the country together (68 percent), while 15 percent say tearing the country apart and 18 percent are unsure. Nearly all Democrats (93 percent) and over half of independents (59 percent) say Trump is tearing the country apart.

  • In addition, a record 55 percent of voters disapprove of the job he’s doing as president, while 41 percent approve. That’s a net negative by 14 points and his worst score to-date.

  • Since[February 2017] he’s lost the most ground with conservatives (down 7 points), Republican men (-9 points), and whites without a college degree (-9 points).

  • His worst marks are on race relations (33-61 percent), where disapproval outweighs approval by 28 points.

  • Overall, by a 70-13 percent margin, voters think Trump dislikes the media more than white supremacists.

  • With the controversy heating up across the country, voters by a 2-to-1 margin think Confederate monuments and statues should stay up (61 percent) rather than be taken down (29 percent).

  • Fifty-eight percent of Clinton voters say they’re losing sleep since Trump took office. On the other hand, Trump voters say they’re sleeping better these days (62 percent).

--Percy


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NoNukes
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Message 1173 of 1205 (818653)
08-31-2017 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1172 by Percy
08-31-2017 12:37 PM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
This Fox News report on a Fox News Poll contains the following tidbits, quoted verbatim:

Just like every other poll, this one reveals a core support among most Republicans, who view things through a completely different lens than do independents, Democrats, and a small but growing number of republicans.

What is not visible in the summary, but is apparent in many other polls, is that the large body of Republican support is eroding. It is gone from the 90s to mid-70s over time and represents most of the day light we are seeing between the 40 percent level earlier in the year and the 35% approval level we are seeing right now.

If Trump can manage to handle hurricane Harvey without a "great job Brownie" level gaffe, perhaps he can stabilize the current downward trend. After all, a president's job during a natural disaster is almost entirely PR as long as Congress does not make a buffoon out of itself, and FEMA with local authorities do their jobs.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 1174 of 1205 (818654)
08-31-2017 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1165 by DrJones*
08-30-2017 12:00 PM


Re: Radical Cleric Threatens Violence
http://www.nova-magazine.net/...tart-another-civil-war-video

It's Jim Bakker. Nothing to see here.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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riVeRraT
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Message 1175 of 1205 (818655)
08-31-2017 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1171 by DrJones*
08-31-2017 9:55 AM


DrJones writes:

And how do you do that without millions of deaths in Seoul?

Send antifa?

Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.


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riVeRraT
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Message 1176 of 1205 (818656)
08-31-2017 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1169 by NoNukes
08-31-2017 1:45 AM


NoNukes writes:

Do you believe that either of these two countries have made an effective response? I do not.

The effectiveness of their response is not what raises an eyebrow. It's that their response is more than usual.


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DrJones*
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Message 1177 of 1205 (818662)
08-31-2017 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1175 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:12 PM


well that doesn't answer the question at all
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NoNukes
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Message 1178 of 1205 (818663)
08-31-2017 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1176 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:14 PM


The effectiveness of their response is not what raises an eyebrow. It's that their response is more than usual.

I don't give a crap about your eyebrows. Other than making idiots feel good, futile gestures are worthless. The problem remains. You are arguing that if the South Koreans are taking silly actions, then the US should too. This despite the fact that futile gestures only help the NK dictator maintain his grip on his country.

I am going to have to review your posting history. If it turns out that it is replete with more of this same kind of nonsense, I will know whether I am wasting my time.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Phat
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Message 1179 of 1205 (818933)
09-04-2017 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1172 by Percy
08-31-2017 12:37 PM


Trump's Nominee To Be USDA's Chief Scientist...
Here is an article of interest: Trump's Nominee To Be USDA's Chief Scientist Is Not A Scientist

Unbelievable! Why on earth would the president nominate someone with such adversarial credentials? Does he want to pick a fight with common sense?

Edited by Phat, : sub title


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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jar
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Message 1180 of 1205 (818934)
09-04-2017 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1179 by Phat
09-04-2017 9:16 AM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
Wakee wakee

He has done that with each of the Science related Agencies and also cut their budgets.

How about appointing someone who made a career out of suing the EPA to head EPA?

How about telling NASA to stop looking back at the Earth and only look to the stars?

How about cutting the FEMA budget?

Look at the current US Gov EPA website.

Note "We are currently updating our website to reflect EPA's priorities under the leadership of President Trump and Administrator Pruitt."

The website is being updated to reflect political dogma instead of reality.


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Phat
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Message 1181 of 1205 (818936)
09-04-2017 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1180 by jar
09-04-2017 9:28 AM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
It will be interesting to see how the current bureau will reformulate the message of that website! I looked at the old website, still available through links:

Climate Change

Let's focus on just this issue. What will the current administration emphasize in regards to a proven scientific topic?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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jar
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Message 1182 of 1205 (818938)
09-04-2017 9:43 AM
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09-04-2017 9:38 AM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
Phat writes:

Let's focus on just this issue. What will the current administration emphasize in regards to a proven scientific topic?

They have said. There is no Climate Change.


My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

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Phat
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Message 1183 of 1205 (818939)
09-04-2017 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1182 by jar
09-04-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
Maybe we can get a town hall meeting with the president, the chief "scientist" and a room full of high school and college science instructors.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 1184 of 1205 (818941)
09-04-2017 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1183 by Phat
09-04-2017 9:46 AM


Where we can see the future
What happened in Houston was certainly a tragedy and we need to try to help those who are suffering BUT much of the tragedy was man made, predictable, recurring and self inflicted.

Houston grew as quickly as it has, as large as it has and during that time zoning has been repeatedly voted down as have building requirements. Farm and scrub land was paved over replacing dirt to absorb water with asphalt and concrete to retain water.

The people of Houston chose to allow virtually unregulated expansion and construction.

I listen to those poor folk shocked that their house got flooded when it became necessary to lower the water in the dams; but that is simply wilful ignorance on their part. I feel for those who do not have flood insurance but come on, Houston floods every time it rains.

The issue is whether or not Houston and other areas learn a lesson. Will they take the unpopular position of changing where folk can build, how folk can build, how roads should be built, including emergency and disaster preparedness into the initial planning and construction requirements?


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Message 1185 of 1205 (819045)
09-05-2017 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1179 by Phat
09-04-2017 9:16 AM


Re: Trump's Nominee To Be USDA's Chief Scientist...
Phat writes:

Why on earth would the president nominate someone with such adversarial credentials?


Ministry of Truth = Ministry of Propaganda
Ministry of Peace = Ministry of War
Ministry of Science = Ministry of Anti-Science
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