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NoNukes
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Message 32 of 86 (798843)
02-05-2017 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by jar
02-05-2017 9:00 AM


Re: H.R. 622 withdrawn
HR 621 & HR 622 were different but equally crazy bills. Looks like both have been withdrawn. Maybe a slight nod to sanity.
How can you tell they've been withdrawn? The link below does not show any action since 1/24/17
Actions - H.R.622 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Local Enforcement for Local Lands Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 34 of 86 (798934)
02-06-2017 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by jar
02-06-2017 6:13 AM


Re: H.R. 622 withdrawn
I was reporting what was said in quotes attributed to him. I will try to find the news stories again.
Got it. With that information, statements that Chaffetz was withdrawing the HR 621 were easy to find. I did not find similar information for HR 622 and I did find several articles suggesting that the bill to remove BLM and other federal law enforcement has not been withdrawn.
Rep. Chaffetz withdrawal of federal land transfer bill marks victory for outdoor industry, conservationists, public lands advocates who vow to continue fight
quote:
A little more than [a] week after Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz introduced a bill calling for the disposal of 3.3 million acres of federal land in 10 Western states, the fifth-term Republican announced late Wednesday on Instagram he was withdrawing H.R. 621.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 40 of 86 (799528)
02-10-2017 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by RAZD
02-10-2017 7:52 AM


Re: SCOTUS on gerrymandering?
I believe the SCOTUS is going to take up a case on gerrymandering.
Historically the SCOTUS has looked on gerrymandering with favor and approval. That combined with the Court's holding on the Voting Rights Act do not leave much room for optimism.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 53 of 86 (799686)
02-13-2017 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by ringo
02-12-2017 2:55 PM


Re: SCOTUS on gerrymandering?
The Electoral College is a factor in Presidential elections but what about the Senate and House? What prevents third parties there?
There is usually an Independent party candidate or two among the Congress folk. But those folk pretty much have to caucus with one or the other of the major parties in order to get anything done. Sanders is an Independent party Senator.
Generally speaking a few congress folk among a bunch of other folk are pretty ineffective unless they are in a position to determine outcomes with their votes. That makes it hard to get elected. Usually those folks are former Democrats or Republicans.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 64 of 86 (815409)
07-20-2017 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by LamarkNewAge
05-08-2017 11:49 PM


Re: ‘Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care’
The underfunded expansion enabled the vast majority of Republican controlled states to reject the expansion.
The reasons for the refusal of states like North Carolina to expand medicaid are well known. They have little to do with the states finding the federal money extremely unhelpful and too small. The overwhelming majority (32 of 50) of states found the money extremely helpful.
Further, the original plan included both carrot and stick to encourage states to adopt the expansion. The Supreme Court held the stick part of the bargain to be unconstitutional and left states free to reject the expansion. Many states like North Carolina, elected, to the detriment of their populations and their in state hospitals, to reject the expansion because well Obama. The incoming NC governor has proposed taking the money, but the Republican controlled legislature said no because, Obama.
Kentucky actually accepted the money only to have the incoming governor close down the state exchanges because, well yes, Obama.
You believe that even more federal funding would make a difference? Well given the fact that Republican leadership opposes the ACA as socialism and wealth transfer, the idea that some more government money would help is unsupportable. You are welcome to try.
Enough did expand Medicaid so that there will be enough suffering in GOP states - if cuts are significant enough - to cause Republicans to challenge and oppose Trump's recent House passed bill.
This prediction turned out to be true. As of this date, every Republican plan has failed in the senate. Part of that is because of complaints from state governors.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 66 of 86 (824890)
12-04-2017 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Percy
12-04-2017 8:51 AM


Re: The New Tax Bill: Will You Be Paying More or Less?
Has anyone estimated whether their taxes will be going up or down under the new tax bill? I have.
Everyone will be forced to go through this exercise before the 2018 elections. I suspect that a large chunk of the population will be unpleasantly surprised by the new tax law.
Thanks for sharing...
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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