Some evidence for voter fraud

No, it is not always a "glitch". In fact, in North Carolina, the problem of disenfranchising voters through voter ID laws has been adjudicated in court where evidence was produced that the impact of the law was to deliberately encumber voting of student voters and African American voters. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, a well-known conservative Circuit that upheld Voter ID in Virginia found that the disenfranchisement by the North Carolina Legislature was deliberate in its attempts to limiting voting.

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In the North Carolina case, the 4th Circuit panel agreed with allegations that North Carolina’s omnibus bill selectively chose voter-ID requirements, reduced the number of early-voting days and changed registration procedures in ways meant to harm blacks, who overwhelmingly vote for the Democratic Party.

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Just some facts to throw in, the legislature reviewed voting patterns in NC and then targetted their id requirements and other options to affect young folks, students, and African Americans. For example, state-issued gun permits are acceptable IDs, but state-issued student ID cards are not. As a second example, programs to register high school seniors and juniors ahead of graduation were canceled.Finally, evidence that dead people are registered and that folks are registered in two states is not evidence of voter fraud. It is instead evidence that states, often under Republican control (the majority of states) don't police their registration roles. There is generally no procedure for an individual to remove his registration when he moves or for his family to remove that registration when he dies. It is then no surprise that millions of folks, country-wide, have invalid registrations through no fault of their own.More alarmingly, some states use record purging steps that have the effect of removing valid voters from the registration list. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

I appreciate your honesty here. There really is not much evidence at all that the press is lying about this issue. If you can turn up some evidence, that would be cool and this thread might well become extremely interesting. Right now I'd have to suggest that you opened the thread prematurely.Trump and Steve Bannon are calling the press the "opposition party" and Kellyanne Conway has insisted that it is not the job of the press to challenge any statements coming from the administration. I find the idea that the press is just supposed to be stenographers and mouthpieces to be fairly laughable. You might be able to convince folks that Trump was not lying because he actually believed his crowds was the largest one ever. But you won't be able to convince anyone reasonable that he never stated that.Just as admin is not fond of us calling each other liars, I think there are issues with the press leaping to the conclusion of lying every time somebody gets their facts wrong. I am not sure that this particular incident is one of those cases. But being dead wrong, and lying are not the same thing. Trump is not even in the ballpark about the size of the inauguration crowd.The fact is Trump drew enormous crowds. He could have celebrated that, but it seems to me that his "mirror mirror on the wall" type ego has repeatedly sabotaged Trump's photo ops. He managed to insult the CIA by standing in front of their hallowed monument to deceased employees and going off on a self-aggrandizing speech full of self-puffery.Further, Trump did have an outstanding week with the presidential pen. His already convinced supporters have a lot to cheer about. However, but many of those cheers are regarding things that his non-supporters would certainly not cheer Trump, Obama, or anyone else for. Then this other unseemly crap gets piled on top of that. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : wording change. No added content

First of all, I did comment specifically on voter ID when I mentioned the fact that in North Carolina, the legislature chose to allow ID means like gun permits and disallowed ID means such as student IDs. Secondly, the topic was not limited to voter ID, but to attempts by the legislature to suppress voting and registration.In short, we were comparing fraud with things done to suppress voting which RAZD indicated dwarfed the levels of fraud that even Trump suggests without evidence. Your claim that such things were "glitches". I showed one example that such things were deliberate rather than glitches. I could have used Texas voter ID laws as a second example.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

No, Faith I did not. I responded with North Carolina legislation which included VoterID among a number of other components and I specifically addressed the purpose of NC VoterID provisions along with the evidence that supported my position. That is the correct way to discuss stuff at EvC. Instead simply claiming that something is "obvious" is not much of an argument. And stop falsely claiming that I did not discuss voter ID. I quite clearly did include that in my discussion.

As you note, this is a question that varies from state to state. Based on googling, it is pretty common for concealed weapons licenses to have a photo, but not universal. Texas does use a photo, but NC permits do not have a photo. The reason these "IDs" are allowed is completely based on the demographics surrounding who has them and who does not and not whether accepting them prevents or promotes voter fraud.