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Faith
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Message 76 of 129 (797994)
01-30-2017 8:11 AM
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01-30-2017 8:08 AM


Re: voter fraud revisited
I try not to give links without some content, so if I did that I apologize.
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Message 77 of 129 (798016)
01-30-2017 10:48 AM
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01-29-2017 11:19 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
Oh yes, one of the left's deep insights involves tit for tatting. What you think is American is really Marxist-globalist-inspired hatred of America.

This is, of course, total bullshit.

You only demonstrate how out of touch with America you are -- or, perhaps, how out of touch with reality.


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Faith
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Message 78 of 129 (798019)
01-30-2017 11:26 AM
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01-30-2017 10:48 AM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
Well, there it is, the formula for the end of America by refusal to recognize the reality of revisionist history, and calling the truth a lie.
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Message 79 of 129 (798025)
01-30-2017 12:08 PM
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01-30-2017 11:26 AM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
Well, there it is, the formula for the end of America by refusal to recognize the reality of revisionist history, and calling the truth a lie.

That's exactly what you are doing.

Unfortunately, you cannot see it. You want to return to an America that never existed (except in your imagination).


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Faith
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Message 80 of 129 (798038)
01-30-2017 12:40 PM
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01-30-2017 12:08 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
No, you are the revisionist, you have no understanding of American history.

I don't want to return to the old America at all, except only in the sense that I want Christianity to be revived, but revived to a much higher level than it used to be.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 81 of 129 (798049)
01-30-2017 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
01-30-2017 7:33 AM


I was talking about the obvious purpose of Voter ID, you responded with a law that was not about voter ID as such, as if it was.

No, Faith I did not. I responded with North Carolina legislation which included VoterID among a number of other components and I specifically addressed the purpose of NC VoterID provisions along with the evidence that supported my position. That is the correct way to discuss stuff at EvC. Instead simply claiming that something is "obvious" is not much of an argument. And stop falsely claiming that I did not discuss voter ID. I quite clearly did include that in my discussion.


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History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

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Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 82 of 129 (798051)
01-30-2017 1:36 PM
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01-29-2017 4:25 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
The problem is that white "flooring" that they put down to protect the grass. Pink hats at the Women's March show up against that background. White robes and white hoods don't.

I'm stealing that for facebook


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Faith
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Message 83 of 129 (798089)
01-30-2017 7:28 PM


the evidence of voter fraud that is currently available
Direct evidence of voter fraud is hard to get, part of that due to wacko laws that prevent establishing procedures for tracking such information, which is noted at the end of this report:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/...zens-voting-daniel-greenfield

Nevertheless there's an awful lot of evidence of such fraud here and there, including in the above report, that reasonably extrapolates to a lot more that isn't presently directly provable:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/search/site/voter%20fraud

Certainly enough evidence to utterly demolish the claims that it's only one or two women who are guilty.

Maybe Gregg Phillips will be able to prove his allegations eventually.

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nwr
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Message 84 of 129 (798095)
01-30-2017 8:55 PM
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01-30-2017 7:28 PM


Re: the evidence of voter fraud that is currently available
Those reports are from 2014.

There should be trials and convictions by now -- but only if there was actual evidence to support the accusations.


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nwr
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Message 85 of 129 (798096)
01-30-2017 9:02 PM
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01-30-2017 12:40 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
I don't want to return to the old America at all, except only in the sense that I want Christianity to be revived, but revived to a much higher level than it used to be.

I think you are saying that you want to see the constitution overthrown.

That makes you a traitor.


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Faith
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Message 86 of 129 (798100)
01-30-2017 9:33 PM
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01-30-2017 9:02 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
Sigh. No, I was trying to head off the usual accusation that I want to go back to the time of racism and all that crazed liberal fantasy about conservatives. I want a better America. Sheesh. Do you guys ever rest from your paranoid attacks on decent conservatives?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 87 of 129 (798102)
01-30-2017 10:03 PM
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01-30-2017 9:33 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
I did not say anything about racism.

I was actually referring to the non-establishment clause of the first amendment, which you seem to oppose.


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PaulK
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Message 88 of 129 (798108)
01-31-2017 12:07 AM
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01-30-2017 7:28 PM


Re: the evidence of voter fraud that is currently available
I will note that the report does not even make good use of the evidence that is available.

All we can tell is that at one time a woman said she was not an American citizen and at some other time she voted. On such limited evidence we really can't tell if she did anything wrong. (Anyone want to bet that this is one of my "bizarre" assertions that Faith can't understand despite being rather obviously true to anyone who thinks about it?)

The fact that the story claims that the excusal form is "proof" that she is an illegal immigrant without any explanation is also worrying - and suggestive of (perhaps extreme) bias.


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Message 89 of 129 (798176)
01-31-2017 2:54 PM
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01-30-2017 1:35 PM


A stupid question, if I may.

The NC voter ID law allowed gun permits as valid ID but not student IDs.

In the past couple decades, all the student IDs that I have seen have been photo IDs. There is no reason why that could not serve to verify that the face you're looking at is the same as is on the ID (which is the stated purpose after all).

But what about gun permits? Are those also photo IDs? Now I realize that that may vary from state to state, so we should probably be asking about gun permits in NC. But if they are not photo IDs, then why allow them over other photo IDs?

Also, I would agree with having to show a photo ID when you go to vote. When I voted early, I and everybody else I saw there had their IDs out to be checked, even though it was not necessary. But if you are going to pass a law that requires a photo ID to vote, then you had damned well better be sure to provide all registered voters with those photo IDs! If you cannot or will not provide all registered voters with photo IDs, then don't require them!


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RAZD
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Message 90 of 129 (798179)
01-31-2017 3:14 PM
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01-31-2017 2:54 PM


The NC voter ID law allowed gun permits as valid ID but not student IDs.

The pathetic excuse I heard was that it had to do with how long the ID's were valid for - can someone have a student ID from two different institutions (community college and state university)?

Also, I would agree with having to show a photo ID when you go to vote. When I voted early, I and everybody else I saw there had their IDs out to be checked, even though it was not necessary. But if you are going to pass a law that requires a photo ID to vote, then you had damned well better be sure to provide all registered voters with those photo IDs! If you cannot or will not provide all registered voters with photo IDs, then don't require them!

The post offices are equipped to take passport photos, so it should be relatively easy to let them make photo IDs for voting. The departments of motor vehicles are generally capable of making photo IDs for people who want to use them for alcohol purchases etc., however the states implementing these laws generally shut down the offices in certain neighborhoods (for "economic reasons" ... )

... But if you are going to pass a law that requires a photo ID to vote, then you had damned well better be sure to provide all registered voters with those photo IDs! If you cannot or will not provide all registered voters with photo IDs, then don't require them! ...

It could be phased in, with ID making equipment at the polling stations so that every registered voters can get a standard format ID, and these digital images could be retained in a data base so that photos can be scanned and compared for fraud.

Every citizen should be allowed to vote freely and easily. It is also pretty clear that Photo ID's are NOT used to prevent duplicate voting, as claimed:

... the vetting stops with looking at a photo ID to see it is the person in front of you.

So there is absolutely no question in my mind that the only intention of these photo ID laws were the suppression of votes.

  1. There is no specific photo format specified.
  2. There is no data-base of photos at the polling stations to compare to the voter IDs
  3. There are multiple types of ID allowed that would allow a person to use one in one location and another in another location
  4. Student IDs are not allowed but NRA IDs are -- a clear bias.
  5. There is no provision for the state to be responsible for providing the ID's for all existing registered voters at no cost, or for having a program to go to elderly or disabled people homes to provide the IDs
  6. There is no provision to obtain a Photo ID at the polling stations.
  7. Enforcement has been draconian in requirements for proof of ID and consistency of names.
    and finally
  8. there is no provision to scan the photo IDs at the polling stations to compare them digitally with other photos in a data-base ... ie - there is NO provision for ensuring that the type of fraud that this program is purported to prevent is actually prevented.

This is as fake as "trickle-down" ... it is a joke, it is a scam, a fraud. They come from ALEC.

If we can register every 18 year old man and woman for the draft, we can provide automatic photo ID "draft cards" that the Federal Government decrees is valid for any and all public elections. The same can be issued when a person becomes a citizen..

Next get rid of the corruptible voting machines and return to paper ballots that can be recounted.

Make them instant runoff ballots while we are at it.

#PaperBallots #PurpleFingers #AllVotersCount

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