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Coragyps
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Message 91 of 129 (798185)
01-31-2017 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
01-30-2017 7:28 PM


Re: the evidence of voter fraud that is currently available
Gregg Phillips has active voter registrations in three states.
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Theodoric
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Message 92 of 129 (798188)
01-31-2017 9:26 PM
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01-28-2017 3:31 PM


Re: One study
Then again they provided no real evidence did they. As a matter of fact their allegations were looked into and it was determined that their methods were sorely lacking and completely discredited.

Two groups (Election Integrity Maryland and the Virginia Voters Alliance) claimed to have discovered "tens of thousands" of electors on the rolls in both states, and hundreds of double voters.  Those lists were apparently compiled by "comparing 3.4 million current voter records in Maryland and 5.5 million in Virginia" by name and date of birth. Elections officials in Fairfax County followed up with a tighter scan, looking for matching SSN digits as well ... and found 17 potential double voters.

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=64832

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Theodoric
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Message 93 of 129 (798189)
01-31-2017 9:34 PM
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01-29-2017 7:59 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
I am truly amazed by the number of atheists that also supported him. I assume they must be like the self-loathing Log Cabin Republicans.
But there is no reason a Christian should be supporting him.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 94 of 129 (798190)
01-31-2017 9:37 PM
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01-30-2017 12:44 AM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
I am gone for three months and still all Faith has is ad hominems and attacks. Not surprised.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 95 of 129 (798191)
01-31-2017 9:39 PM
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01-30-2017 12:50 AM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
How about you provide some evidence for these assertions? There must be a source, right?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 96 of 129 (798193)
01-31-2017 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
01-29-2017 11:19 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
Which is really funny because Steve Bannon claimed to be a Leninist that wanted to destroy the government.
You are following someone that espouse marxist-leninism. Too funny.
http://www.newyorker.com/...non-will-lead-trumps-white-house

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Message 97 of 129 (798194)
01-31-2017 9:44 PM
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01-31-2017 2:54 PM


But what about gun permits? Are those also photo IDs? Now I realize that that may vary from state to state, so we should probably be asking about gun permits in NC. But if they are not photo IDs, then why allow them over other photo IDs?

As you note, this is a question that varies from state to state. Based on googling, it is pretty common for concealed weapons licenses to have a photo, but not universal. Texas does use a photo, but NC permits do not have a photo. The reason these "IDs" are allowed is completely based on the demographics surrounding who has them and who does not and not whether accepting them prevents or promotes voter fraud.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

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Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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dwise1
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Message 98 of 129 (798201)
01-31-2017 11:55 PM
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01-31-2017 9:44 PM


Yes, I do realize that it varies from state to state, as do election laws.

So NC permits have no photo. So just what kind of valid ID is that supposed to be?

You prove the point, that those IDs have nothing whatsoever to do with ensuring against voter fraud, but rather that they are a tool of election fraud in the form of voter suppression.


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dwise1
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Message 99 of 129 (798202)
02-01-2017 12:39 AM
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01-31-2017 9:44 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
righteous über-Christians voted for the most un-Christian candidate possible. Their reason for doing so was because they coveted political power and were willing to vote for anyone who would deliver that political power to them, even the Anti-Christ (or The Beast ... I still get those two confused). So that is what they did, they voted for Trump.

I remember an old "dirty" joke. A man propositions an attractive young woman by offering $50,000 in exchange for sex with her. She considers it for a fraction of a second and agrees. Then he propositions her offering $50 for sex with her. Indignant, she retorts negatively, "What kind of a girl do you think I am!?!?!?" He replies, "We already know what kind of a girl you are. Now we're just arriving at the price."

Trump is either the Anti-Christ or the Beast -- I tend to favor the latter. "True Christians" have already sold their souls to him. The only question that remains is how cheaply they had sold out.


FOOTNOTE 1:
NOTE: I studied Russian history in university -- undergraduate Russian history.

Lenin was a sharp cookie. And a German secret weapon that the Germans sent into Tsarist Russia to take them out of the war.

After the Tsar abdicated, Russia was still embroiled in their war with Germany (AKA, World War I). Russia was ruled by a parliament (the Duma) under a series of provisional governments that had to both try to pull the country together while at the same time deal with the Germans. The Germans offered them a peace treaty with unimaginable terms that no sane government could ever agree to. So the Russian provisional governments cycled through everyone, none of whom could deal with the war and the Germans, until it fell to the Bolsheviks.

Bolshevik. There's a whole story behind that. It means "Majority", even though they were a minority political force. But there was one vote in the Duma where they won the majority, and from that point forth they called themselves "The Majority", Bolsheviki. Good for propaganda, nyet?

As I said, one provisional government after the other was raised, tried to deal with the Germans and the war (some with futile counter-offensives), and failed. Now it was the Bolsheviks' turn. They agreed to the Germans' terms! No sane government would have ever done that, but the Lenin-led Bolsheviks did!

That was the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. Germany was being starved for resources, while Russia was rich in resources. The treaty demanded enormous payments from Russia. No sane Russian government could ever agree to such terms. But then the Leninists were not rational. Lenin agreed to the terms of that treaty with no intention of ever honoring it. He just signed it in order to buy time to consolidate power within Russia.

At Cal-State University, Fullerton, my Russian history prof was Dr. Feldman. He had just returned from a year and a half of research in the Soviet Union on the Russian Revolution. His wife was a mathematician, so she was doing research in that area. Russia was way ahead of us in theoretical math, but all her associates were totally blown away by her calculator which was so far advanced beyond them that they could not imagine how the US government had allowed her to bring it with her. Circa 1975.

In 1976, Dr. Feldman ran a 1776 role-playing game. Before that, he had done the same with the Russian Revolution and he told us in the history class about it. Each political faction that took control of the Duma tried to do what it could, but nobody could succeed.

Some of the various political factions tried to mount an offensive against the Germans to gain some kind of advantage in the negotiations.

One of Feldman's students was always complaining that these offensives were completely useless. So Feldman assigned that student the role of leading that offensive. Feldman remembered a conversation with that student who was arguing passionately that they had to attack.

Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.


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Theodoric
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Message 100 of 129 (798240)
02-01-2017 10:01 AM
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02-01-2017 12:39 AM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
According to my understanding there can be no Leninism without Marxism. Leninism is a huge bastardization and corruption of Marxism, but it does rely on it in order to exist.

My formal political science training and education is 30+ years old and probably woefully out of date, so if my impressions are wrong I would gladly be corrected and educated.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 101 of 129 (798279)
02-01-2017 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Coragyps
01-31-2017 7:48 PM


Re: the evidence of voter fraud that is currently available
Gregg Phillips has active voter registrations in three states.

Indeed, and several other people associated with Trump have multiple registrations (Bannon has two).

quote:
President Trump's ‘voter fraud expert’ is registered to vote in three states

A man who President Trump has promoted as an authority on voter fraud was registered to vote in multiple states during the 2016 presidential election, the Associated Press has learned.

Gregg Phillips, whose unsubstantiated claim that the election was marred by 3 million illegal votes was tweeted by the President, was listed on the rolls in Alabama, Texas and Mississippi, according to voting records and election officials in those states. He voted only in Alabama in November, records show.

In a post earlier this month, Phillips described "an amazing effort" by volunteers tied to True the Vote, an organization whose board he sits on, who he said found "thousands of duplicate records and registrations of dead people."

Trump has made an issue of people who are registered to vote in more than one state, using it as one of the bedrocks of his overall contention that voter fraud is rampant in the U.S. and that voting by 3 to 5 million immigrants illegally in the country cost him the popular vote in November.


So the fact that registrations exist for dead people and multiple registrations are on record for some people in multiple states does not add up to fraudulent voting -- that only occurs when (a) someone votes pretending to be a dead person (like the republican women that cast a vote for her dead husband) (b) people attempt to vote twice in the same state (like the republican woman that was caught) and (c) when a person votes in multiple states because they are registered there. Like Gregg Phillips could have but didn't.

And we still don't have an accurate count of the people that were disenfranchised by states purging their voter lists with fairly loose criteria.

Nor do we have an accurate count of people who's votes were not counted or counted incorrectly by voting machines ... because the recounts were halted by the republicans.

Likewise there is no accurate count to how many votes were added by the precincts tabulation machines, which we know DID occur in at least one location when the total votes tabulated exceeded the number of voters.

If you are truly interested in the truth about voting then you need to look at ALL the types of fraud that can be perpetuated.

So far it looks like the number of people who managed to cast multiple votes, undetected to date, is minuscule compared to the other forms of election fraud.

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Message 102 of 129 (798319)
02-01-2017 6:12 PM
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01-31-2017 9:39 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
Theodoric asks:

How about you provide some evidence for these assertions? There must be a source, right?

Here's her source, as Coragyps posted in Message 91:

Gregg Phillips has active voter registrations in three states.

Phillips is one of the original persons who made the claim that millions of illegal voters voted. LOL.

The GOP model is to accuse the you of the crimes they commit before you find out. I've seen it since 1968.

Edited by xongsmith, : There may have been more....

Edited by xongsmith, : added the Theodoric question


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Theodoric
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Message 103 of 129 (798320)
02-01-2017 6:16 PM
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02-01-2017 6:12 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
I was actually wondering about the source that Hillary Clinton and Democrats advocated a wall similar to Trumps, in the past. Also, the assertion that Obama did the same thing on immigration that Trump is doing.

Seems we get all these accusations but no support for them.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 104 of 129 (798324)
02-01-2017 6:33 PM
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02-01-2017 6:16 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
I was actually wondering about the source that Hillary Clinton and Democrats advocated a wall similar to Trumps, in the past. Also, the assertion that Obama did the same thing on immigration that Trump is doing.

Seems we get all these accusations but no support for them.

=======================
Hillary herself said she voted for a wall on the Mexican border:

=============================
And here's a report on Obama's 2011 "slowdown" of immigration. Trump said it was "similar" so stop looking for it to be identical. It's...similar.


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Message 105 of 129 (798325)
02-01-2017 6:38 PM
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01-31-2017 9:39 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
Message 83 The current evidence for voter fraud. We are waiting for Gregg Phillips.
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