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JonF
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Message 106 of 129 (798328)
02-01-2017 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by RAZD
02-01-2017 2:14 PM


Re: the evidence of voter fraud that is currently available
Bannon has two

Had. When this came out a few days ago Florida canceled him.
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Theodoric
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Message 107 of 129 (798332)
02-01-2017 7:30 PM
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02-01-2017 6:33 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
Faith why do you always have to lie. You do realize I was able to listen to what she said. She said a barrier. We have built a barrier on a good part of the border. This is not in any way or shape analogous to Trumps $40 billion+ wall. That you think this snippet makes Mrs. Clinton at any time supportive of a Trump wall is plain stupid.

Did you read the NY Times article? Yes they are both similar. Gasoline and water are similar to as in they are both liquid.

Quit lying.
This is what you said originally.

Faith writes:

One of the things I fail at on this subject is keeping track of facts such as that Hillary Clinton among other Democrats supported legislation for building a wall on our southern border some ten years ago, and such as that Obama put out the same executive orders curtailing immigration from the same countries Trump is now curtailing, but Trump is vilified for doing exactly what Obama got no flak for doing.


Are you agreeing now that what you said was not true. You do realize we can read old posts don't you? They don't disappear after we read them.

Edited by Theodoric, : Faiths original comments


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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 108 of 129 (798335)
02-01-2017 7:40 PM
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02-01-2017 7:30 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
A wall is a barrier. Stop calling me names.
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Theodoric
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Message 109 of 129 (798337)
02-01-2017 7:44 PM
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02-01-2017 7:40 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
All walls are barriers but all barriers are not walls.

To say Hillary Clinton supported a wall like Trumps is a lie.

ABE
Are you taking back your original comments or do you stand by them even though they have been shown to be false?

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 110 of 129 (798339)
02-01-2017 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
02-01-2017 6:38 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
There is no evidence of fraud. If he had it he would present it. He is another conman working marks like you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Faith
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Message 111 of 129 (798341)
02-01-2017 7:51 PM
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02-01-2017 7:44 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
ANY SUPPORT FOR A BARRIER OF ANY SORT WHATEVER ADVOCATED BY HILLARY OUGHT TO SHOW THAT THE IDEA OF A WALL IS NOT THE STRANGE AND EVIL THING TRUMP'S DETRACTORS KEEP PRETENDING IT IS.

Leftists are in/sane, there is no doubt of it. Just plain screaming wacko bonkers.

And that's being NICE about it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 112 of 129 (798343)
02-01-2017 7:57 PM
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02-01-2017 7:51 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
Faith writes:

ANY SUPPORT FOR A BARRIER OF ANY SORT WHATEVER ADVOCATED BY HILLARY OUGHT TO SHOW THAT THE IDEA OF A WALL IS NOT THE STRANGE AND EVIL THING TRUMP'S DETRACTORS KEEP PRETENDING IT IS.

No one is saying the idea of a wall is strange or evil Faith, we are saying it is utterly stupid, moronic, laughable, silly, juvenile, idiotic, a waste of time money and resources and that it cannot possibly accomplish any valid objective beyond satisfying ignorant constituents and once again moving tax money from peoples pockets into the coffers of the rich.

The "wall" is simply a really dumb idea Faith.


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Message 113 of 129 (798346)
02-01-2017 8:23 PM
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02-01-2017 6:33 PM


Hillary herself said she voted for a wall on the Mexican border

Although this seems wildly off topic, I thought I'd help by adding some specific facts.

She voted on double fences and additional vehicle checkpoints. It was estimated to cost about $4billion but due to a lack of budget and a differing opinion by the DHS, it was not fulfilled as it was written (700 miles of fencing, but only a few dozen miles were double fenced).

Projected costs of Trump's wall run between double and quadruple this cost.


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Theodoric
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Message 114 of 129 (798349)
02-01-2017 8:39 PM
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02-01-2017 8:23 PM


Actually we are looking at close to $40 billion. Someone actually ran the maths. I think they underestimated the cost because a 50 ft high wall is going to need to be thicker than 1 foot in order to be stable. Might want to add another 20-25%

https://www.technologyreview.com/...ps-up-trumps-border-wall


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 115 of 129 (798350)
02-01-2017 8:42 PM
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02-01-2017 7:51 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
Just plain screaming wacko bonkers

You are the one screaming. The rest of us are discussing and pointing out your errors, misrepresentations and the changing of your argument in midstream.
If your going to be upset with anyone you should be upset with yourself. I am not sure why I should refrain from pointing out your lies if you are going to continue to call me names and not debate in a civil manner.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 116 of 129 (798359)
02-02-2017 12:11 AM


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Message 117 of 129 (798370)
02-02-2017 12:55 AM
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02-01-2017 7:51 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
No Faith, the people calmly and rationally examining the facts are the sane ones not the screaming lunatic ranting at them

To rational people the fact that Hilary supported a barrier does not make it a good policy. Just because you put tribalism ahead of sense does not mean that sane people will. And the fact that the policy Hilary supported was felt to be too expensive to be worth doing rather suggests that a similar but far more expensive project is going to be even worse.

Sane people think that if you are going to put billions of dollars into a project and damage the relationship with a neighbouring country and trading partner you should at least make sure that there will be a good return on it. This does not seem likely to be the case at all.


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Message 118 of 129 (798393)
02-02-2017 8:32 AM
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02-01-2017 7:44 PM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
ll walls are barriers but all barriers are not walls.

To say Hillary Clinton supported a wall like Trumps is a lie.

I have to go with Faith on this. The wall\barrier\fence that exists NOW was passed to limit illegal immigration, Hillary was for it as were most politicians.

The problem with Trump's wall is that the methods used to circumvent the current barrier will still exist. That makes it is about political showmanship, not practical concept.

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Theodoric
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Message 119 of 129 (798394)
02-02-2017 9:29 AM
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02-02-2017 8:32 AM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
A barrier of some sort is reasonable on a international border that is rife with illegal crossings. You can debate that fact all you want. What you can not debate honestly is that the barrier Clinton and others supported in the past in the same as Trumps border monstrosity.
To also claim that no one criticized her on supporting that barrier is also a lie. She took a lot of heat for supporting that barrier. I thought the barrier she supported was a bad choice also and made it known, as did a lot of people.
Go with Faith on this if you want, but it is not at all the same thing. Instead of defending him, Trump supporters will instead claim that Clinton or Obama did something like it. That itself shows the dishonesty and cognitive dissonance of a Trump supporter.
This wall is another Trump policy that will destroy our economy, while redistributing more money to the very wealthy.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 120 of 129 (798395)
02-02-2017 9:30 AM
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02-02-2017 8:32 AM


Re: The Trolls are the "mainstream" media
Thank you, one fair response.
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