Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response

Ringo, your original claim included the idea that under Canadian law, self-defense was a mitigating factor that could reduce your penalty under the law. That claim was wrong. Beyond that, if you cannot be charged with a crime, then quite obviously self-defense was not an issue, right?You are correct that self-defense may not be a natural right in Canada, but self-defense being used if you are charged with a crime is exactly the same as the state of affairs in the United States. Self-defense does not just mitigate a crime; when self-defense applies, it completely excuses the use of force; and possibly even the use of deadly force. Further, in Canada, the state is required to disprove self-defense, which is not the way things work in most jurisdictions in the US.Not natural law? Who cares?

I haven't seen any legal justification for the raising of the issue or the injunction, and of course I doubt the court's reading of the law. As I said, I'm waiting for a conservative to discuss all this. If they agree with you, fine; if not, I go with them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's one of the themes we're getting a lot of in this country's lurch to populism - that the Courts should reflect the will of the people.Should they hell ! They should uphold the letter of the law without fear or favour. They should uphold the country's constitution in the face of torrents of abuse and criticism. They should be utterly impartial and utterly professional.If they are mouthpieces of the government, or even of the people, then mob rule replaces the rule of law.I know you get this, NoNukes - but it's worrying just how many people believe that the Courts should simply take decisions which reflect popular opinion.

That's a nice assertion but an empty one. Try harder. That's exactly the point. If you're charged with shooting somebody, you can claim self-defense - and if the court accepts your claim your penalty may be less. I didn't say otherwise. I only used Canada as an example because I am more aware of Canadian courts' response to self-defense claims. No it doesn't. A self-defense claim is not a magical on/off switch. The courts don't decide that it absolutely was or was not self-defense. They take the reasonable likelihood of self-defense into account when making a decision. It was just a nitpick. You can unbunch your panties any time.

I would agree with you without hesitation if it weren't for the fact that Leftist influences have perverted the Constitution and our courts and our laws ("case law" or law based on precedent rather than absolute standards is a perversion) for so long they are no longer what they were meant to be. That coupled with the perversion of our educational institutions by Leftist influences, which goes back to the rewriting of textbooks by the big foundations, on which I posted a link to the evidence for that some posts ago (Norman Dodd interview at You Tube), and the fact that sixties radicals are now running our educational system, the country is undermined from within with antiConstitutional influences. The more this battle against Trump goes on -- which has now turned violent which is absolutely against the entire history of American politics -- the more I think America is simply done for. It's over.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Look at it this way. The fact that the Courts take decisions which we sometimes don't like has a positive angle - it means there's a strong and viable rule of law in our country.People disagree with each other. I disagree a lot with you and vice versa. It'd be a pretty crappy situation if I won every argument and you lost every argument. And vice versa there too.Not winning every argument is a good thing. Reminds us that other folk have differences of opinion, and that we shouldn't always win against them.

That reduces what is a takeover by anti-American and antiwestern influences to a silly little spat. We no longer share the basic principles on which we could still disagree about secondary points, the whole system has been destroyed.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Actually no - it upholds a far more important principle - the rule of law.A country tends to sway between conservative and liberal positions over time. What's utterly vital is that the rule of law survives that.

I'm all for the rule of law, until the laws are so twisted they serve an ideology I hate. No, they won't let Trump act on a very reasonable law that would serve national security, they hate national security, they hate national sovereignty, they hate America, they want to turn us into a third world swamp, they want to kill the nation's roots in Christianity, they hate everything the country used to stand for. It is said every day here at EvC, it is what we hear from Hollywood and all the Left. they think Trump should be killed. The calls for assassination are all over the Left. They have no interest in discussing anything, in having political disagreements, they lost and they refuse to accept it, they are enraged, they feel they have a right to run the country no matter what the other half thinks, they are going to take over one way or another because they are not interested in democracy, they are totalitarians. They want open borders which would desltroy the nation, so that our culture can be destroyed by alien cultures and overrun by people who hate us. Because they hate us.And the courts are just as perverted. They have to make a big issue out of this reasonable commonsensical law Trump just acted on, they have to twist it to take away the power that law gives him. I'm still open to questions about aspects of that law I suspect that's all a red herring, it's a stalling tactic to get as many Muslims who hate us into the country to threaten us as they can.I heard David Horowitz say on anj interview this morning that he's waited thirty years for Donald Trump. So have the rest of us who voted for him. But the Left we've all been oppressed by for all those decades is showing its true totalitarian colors and refuses to allow democracy to work.No. We're already in some kind of civil war. I hope it doesn't get worse but the way things look it could.

If that were true the proper response would be "Thank GOD!"Unfortunately that simply is not the case and the US still has a long way to go before being eligible to join the civilized Nations of the world.

"Give me national security or give me death."

.....it decides something I don't like.

If you had been paying attention you would have. With no interest in or consideration of what is true.

So legal or illegal doesn't matter, just your personal preferences.

Right of course, it couldn't be that I expect the conservative interpretation to be the true one, could it? Of course not, it has to be that I'm not interested in the truth. The Left has been demolishing truth for so long you don't even know what it is.The latest posts prove exactly what I said. The political divide is at such a pitch there is not the slightest respect between the two sides. Actually this has been the case at EvC since I first got here, it's not new, it's just becoming more extreme since Trump's win which has brought out the murderous totalitarian hate on the Left.I sorely wish there was some way to physically divide the country so that the two sides wouldn't have to put up with the other's politics. I hate you all, you hate me. There is no give and take possible. There is nothing left.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.