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Author Topic:   Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
Faith 
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Message 841 of 993 (809795)
05-21-2017 9:19 AM
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05-21-2017 2:42 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
How many who are not here illegally get accused of it pray tell?

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Faith 
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Message 842 of 993 (809796)
05-21-2017 9:21 AM
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05-21-2017 5:32 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
I'm still astonished that anyone would apply the Constitution to people who are not American citizens and are not here legally. Astonished. KNOWN not to be citizens and KNOWN not to be here legally. Don't accuse me of not caring if it's true or not, of course I care.
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jar
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Message 843 of 993 (809797)
05-21-2017 9:25 AM
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05-21-2017 9:19 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
Even one is too many.
But that is irrelevant; the US Constitution (you may have heard of it) says that if they are in the US they deserve Due Process.
This Administration seems to have no regard whatsoever for the Constitution or Rule of Law.

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PaulK
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Message 844 of 993 (809798)
05-21-2017 9:26 AM
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05-21-2017 9:19 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
Does it matter ? Obviously there are enough people wrongly accused or with legal options available that a lawyer's help can make a difference. And remember that being present in the country illegally is not even considered a crime!
Now you tell me why the government feels the need to attack a non-profit organisation providing legal assistance to people who need it ?

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Message 845 of 993 (809799)
05-21-2017 9:31 AM
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05-21-2017 9:21 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
And that lack of understanding is a very sad thing.
And scary.
That's the sort of thinking that the slave trade and the Holocaust were built on. Why not accord everyone some basic rights ? Why should any people be treated as things that the government can do literally anything to ?

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Faith 
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Message 846 of 993 (809800)
05-21-2017 9:31 AM
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05-21-2017 9:26 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't. How hard can it be find that out? And in any questionable case it ought to be easy enough to establish without a court case.
I don't know about this particular nonprofit situation but it sounds like the usual "sanctuary city" mentality that defies American law and the rights of American citizens to help illegals. What on earth is wrong with preventing illegal entry into this country and encouraging people to come here legally? What is wrong with that perfectly sensible sane idea? Why are you supporting violations of American law? Why?

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jar
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Message 847 of 993 (809801)
05-21-2017 9:36 AM
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05-21-2017 9:31 AM


Faith, You are the one who is advocating violating American law.
Faith writes:
Why are you supporting violations of American law?
Too funny Faith.
Only you and the Trump Administration are advocating violating American Law.

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Faith 
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Message 848 of 993 (809802)
05-21-2017 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 845 by PaulK
05-21-2017 9:31 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
What is the matter with you? The Leftist brain seems to be missing some essential piece. Or it's just programmed to accuse people of things we're not guilty of, accuse accuse accuse. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?
BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS don't need the Constitution to grant them. The Constitution is for Americans AND those visiting here LEGALLY.
It is not a basic human right to be in this country illegally. It is a basic human right to be treated with concern for life and wellbeing. THAT doesn't need the Constitution.
What Reagan said is so true today. The last entry on my signature. Bunch of "liberal" fascists running around accusing other people of being fascists. The world has gone mad.
IF FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA IT WILL BE IN THE FORM OF LIBERALISM.
Well, it's here, just give it time to work up to its full potential.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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PaulK
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Message 849 of 993 (809803)
05-21-2017 9:39 AM
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05-21-2017 9:31 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
quote:
First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't. How hard can it be find that out? And in any questionable case it ought to be easy enough to establish without a court case.
Is it ? When being born in the geographical boundaries of the nation is sufficient to grant citizenship ? An unrecorded and unregistered birth might indeed be hard to establish. Even a registered and recorded birth can be disputed by those motivated to do so as we know all too well.
quote:
I don't know about this particular nonprofit situation but it sounds like the usual "sanctuary city" mentality that defies American law and the rights of American citizens to help illegals.
So long as that aid is merely legal assistance with the proceedings what possible objection can there be to it ?
quote:
What on earth is wrong with preventing illegal entry into this country and encouraging people to come here legally? What is wrong with that perfectly sensible sane idea? Why are you supporting violations of American law? Why?
How does legal assistance possibly come under this description ? Would you class a defence lawyer as "supporting violations of American law" ?

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PaulK
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Message 850 of 993 (809804)
05-21-2017 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 848 by Faith
05-21-2017 9:36 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
quote:
What is the matter with you? The Leftist brain seems to be missing some essential piece. Or it's just programmed to accuse people of things we're not guilty of, accuse accuse accuse. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?
False accusations will not silence me.
quote:
BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS don't need the Constitution to grant them. The Constitution is for Americans AND those visiting here LEGALLY.
Then what does grant "basic human rights" ? And surely if the Constitution was intended to be restricted as you suggest it would say so.
quote:
IF FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA IT WILL BE IN THE FORM OF LIBERALISM
Odd then, that the actual fascists supported Trump.

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jar
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Message 851 of 993 (809805)
05-21-2017 9:49 AM
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05-21-2017 9:45 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
I never quite understood why Ronald Reagan was not impeached and then tried as a traitor to the US simply for his collaboration with Iran to delay the hostage releases and the Iran-Contra affair.
But remember we survived even the Reagan Administration and this Administration too shall pass.

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Chiroptera
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Message 852 of 993 (809810)
05-21-2017 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 846 by Faith
05-21-2017 9:31 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
Hi, Faith.
First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't. How hard can it be find that out?
Well, that is one purpose of the deportation hearings: to make sure that a legal resident or a citizen wasn't "rounded up" by mistake, and the legal representation is to make sure that the officials deciding the matter follow the law and the person isn't summarily deported before her legals status is properly verified.
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Why are you supporting violations of American law?
The other reason is that even if a person entered in this country illegally, there are exceptions to whether she can be deported. She may be fleeing a very dangerous situation, she may be legitimately entitled to refugee status, she may have family in this country legally. These are the sorts of things that may allow her to remain in this country and try to achieve legal status.
And that is the law. You may not like that law, but there it is. According to the law, people in this country are entitled to be able to explain their situation, and if their situation warrants further consideration and even being granted legal status, then to be granted that consideration and/or status.
Furthermore, depending on circumstances, the person may be entitled to be set free while her case is pending. Again, you may not like it, but that is the law.
The lawyers are giving their time and expertise for free in order to make sure the government officials follow the law properly and to make sure the persons being held are aware of their legal options during their hearings.
In other words, these particular lawyers are trying to make sure the laws are obeyed.
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First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't.
I find the contradictions in conservative thought to be interesting. We can't trust the government to provide health care properly to people. We can't trust the government to make sure that air and water are clean. Some even feel that we can't trust the government to provide a proper education to our young.
Yet, we should give the government complete trust to decide who is or isn't in this country legally and to decide who should or should not be immediately deported.

Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg

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Faith 
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Message 853 of 993 (809813)
05-21-2017 10:45 AM
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05-21-2017 10:33 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
I don't get this. We all have to have so much identification these days you'd think it wouldn't be hard to find out who is illegal and who isn't. Is fake ID that good that you can't tell?

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jar
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Message 854 of 993 (809816)
05-21-2017 11:02 AM
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05-21-2017 10:45 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
What id Faith?
What id do you have that shows you are in the US legally?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 855 of 993 (809820)
05-21-2017 11:36 AM
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05-21-2017 10:33 AM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
the person isn't summarily deported before her legals status is properly verified
How much is that happening?
In other words, these particular lawyers are trying to make sure the laws are obeyed.
And the officials found a legal loophole where that can prevent that.
I mean, yeah - they're dicks, but isn't that how the law works?
Yet, we should give the government complete trust to decide who is or isn't in this country legally and to decide who should or should not be immediately deported.
For the record, I do not agree with that. Just sayin'

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