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Faith
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Message 901 of 990 (811053)
06-04-2017 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 899 by Tangle
06-04-2017 1:51 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Interesting that you can't point to Islam alone although it's all coming from Islam. No, you have to pretend all religion is the same. Funny, one way or another Islam the murdering ideology keeps murdering and murdering and also keeps getting a pass even from its victims. France's Macron is all in favor of continuing to admit Muslims. Weird suicidal policies.
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Message 902 of 990 (811054)
06-04-2017 2:35 PM
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06-04-2017 1:40 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:

I think it's interesting that nothing has been said about this here.


What do you have to say about the recent terrorist attack in Canada? (6 Muslims killed in an attack on a mosque.)
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Tangle
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Message 903 of 990 (811058)
06-04-2017 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 900 by Faith
06-04-2017 2:21 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:

So are you one of those UK people who are in favor of admitting lots of these "fanatical loons" into the country?

I'm fairly clear on not letting fanatical loons into the country - generally that would be a bad idea. Sadly they don't tell us they're fanatical loons on their application.

The Manchester set were our own home grown fanatical loons and I'm expecting the London arseholes to be the same.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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Message 904 of 990 (811062)
06-04-2017 2:58 PM
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06-04-2017 2:34 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:

Interesting that you can't point to Islam alone although it's all coming from Islam.

Didn't my mention that they were doing it for Allah give you a clue?

No, you have to pretend all religion is the same. Funny, one way or another Islam the murdering ideology keeps murdering and murdering and also keeps getting a pass even from its victims.

Religion always gets a pass doesn't it? It's never your religion's fault is it? it's always someone else's religion. In this case it's a version of Islam's fault.

France's Macron is all in favor of continuing to admit Muslims. Weird suicidal policies.

It's a recognition that it's not ALL Muslims that are the problem, it's a polluted few of them. Just like your mad version of Christianity doesn't represent Christianity as a whole, these murdering bastard's version of Islam is not Islam as a whole.

But my God, we'd be better off with none of these primitive, aberrant, dangerous and dumb ideas at all - no matter how seemingly benign some of them seem.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 905 of 990 (811068)
06-04-2017 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by Faith
06-04-2017 1:40 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
and yet I don't hear you talking about the terrorist attack on american citizens in Portland. Or speaking out against hte murder of a Us army officer at the university of Maryland.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
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Tangle
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Message 906 of 990 (811073)
06-04-2017 5:40 PM
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06-04-2017 2:21 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
I see your idiot president has made an even bigger twat of himself tweeting garbage about the London mayor - who is a Muslim. He really is a cock.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 907 of 990 (811074)
06-04-2017 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 905 by DrJones*
06-04-2017 3:45 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
I condemn any murderous attack like that. But this is the thread about Trump's efforts to curtail the immigration of dangerous people into the country and those on the agenda at the moment happen to be Muslims, because even though most of them aren't violent (most of them when pressed nevertheless agree with the violence done by the extremists) the extremists act on what they believe their God has ordered them to do: kill people who reject him. Muslims are attacking people in the UK, in Europe in general and also in the US, and in fact, although it doesn't often make the news, all over the world.. Their attacks are ideologically driven, that's the point here. Other murderers have other motives, and none that I know of are decreed by their deity as Islamicists' are.

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Faith
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Message 908 of 990 (811075)
06-04-2017 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 906 by Tangle
06-04-2017 5:40 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
I like Trump's policies, but I agree he would do better to stay off Twitter and say nothing until he's had lots of good advice on any given subject.

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Faith
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Message 909 of 990 (811076)
06-04-2017 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 904 by Tangle
06-04-2017 2:58 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Didn't my mention that they were doing it for Allah give you a clue?

Yes and thank you for that. But you also slammed "religion" in general.

Religion always gets a pass doesn't it? It's never your religion's fault is it? it's always someone else's religion. In this case it's a version of Islam's fault.

That assumes nothing but blind bias in any criticism of another religion, but I don't criticize Islam or the papacy out of some kind of religious competition but because I know enough about them to know that they are ideologically totalitarian and that Islam orders its rank and file to murder "infidels." Believe me I'd be happy happy happy if this weren't the case and I'd welcome them with open arms.

It's a recognition that it's not ALL Muslims that are the problem, it's a polluted few of them.

They aren't at all "polluted," they are the true Muslim purists, acting on what their religion clearly teaches. The Ayatollah Khomeini some years ago came out and condemned the peaceable Muslims as cowards and as betraying their faith, since the religion clearly calls for the murder of infidels. The religion itself, not the Muslims. The Muslim people are sad victims of their religion.

It is a mistake to speak of any religion "as a whole." The religion is what is decreed in the sacred writings or the highest authority. Christianity decrees peace and dying to self. The only time violence is ever supported is when official war is decreed against a dangerous enemy, and even then some Christians oppose the idea on the basis of the Bible. Never is any kind of personal violence allowed. If it occurs it is a violation of the religion's tenets.

This is not the case with Islam. "As a whole" they are peaceable because they don't practice the violent parts of their religion, for which the Ayatollah Knomeini and other Muslim purists condemn them; they prefer to live peaceful lives, but that's not what their religion decrees, it decrees persecution and murder of nonMuslims. There are some versions of Islam that prefer to interpret the violence in spiritual terms although it takes some mental gymnastics to read it that way. Nevertheless they are probably the safest ones to allow into the country.

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Tangle
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Message 910 of 990 (811086)
06-05-2017 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 909 by Faith
06-04-2017 7:17 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:

Yes and thank you for that. But you also slammed "religion" in general.

That's because almost all religions preach violence to other beliefs in some form or another and have been used to justify all sorts of disgusting behaviours.

They aren't at all "polluted," they are the true Muslim purists, acting on what their religion clearly teaches.

I'm not defending their rediculous book but it's clear that the vast majority of Muslims don't interpret it in the same way and are peaceful people simply wanting to get on with their lives.

Religions divide and separate people and provide reasons for the corrupt and the mad to do a lot of harm. Time to get rid of the lot of them.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 911 of 990 (811097)
06-05-2017 5:53 AM
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06-05-2017 1:28 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Religions divide and separate people and provide reasons for the corrupt and the mad to do a lot of harm. Time to get rid of the lot of them.
I dont see how this could reasonably and fairly be done. Human nature would invent another fantasy to take religions place.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
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Tangle
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Message 912 of 990 (811099)
06-05-2017 6:14 AM
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06-05-2017 5:53 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Phat writes:

I dont see how this could reasonably and fairly be done. Human nature would invent another fantasy to take religions place.

It happens naturally with education and prosperity. The Western world is gradually shaking off the worst affects of religion - the US is unique in it's fundamentalism but even there, it's gradually declining.

There's no reason why dangerous beliefs once gone need be replaced by others, not if we keep trying to make progress based on creating progressive societies that are there to benefit its members not some imagined deity or crazed leader.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 913 of 990 (811101)
06-05-2017 6:17 AM
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06-05-2017 6:14 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
The religious people themselves would fight such a law. They may argue that faith in humanity has never worked. The jury is still out on that one. I can argue pro or con.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 914 of 990 (811102)
06-05-2017 6:40 AM
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06-05-2017 6:17 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Phat writes:

The religious people themselves would fight such a law.

No law is needed Phat, simply education and opportunity.


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Tangle
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Message 915 of 990 (811106)
06-05-2017 7:45 AM
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Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Phat writes:

The religious people themselves would fight such a law.

It doesn't require a law, it just needs a prosperous and educated democratic society with secular law and protection of free speech. It happens naturally if it's allowed a chance.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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