Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response

Interesting that you can't point to Islam alone although it's all coming from Islam. No, you have to pretend all religion is the same. Funny, one way or another Islam the murdering ideology keeps murdering and murdering and also keeps getting a pass even from its victims. France's Macron is all in favor of continuing to admit Muslims. Weird suicidal policies.

What do you have to say about the recent terrorist attack in Canada? (6 Muslims killed in an attack on a mosque.)

I'm fairly clear on not letting fanatical loons into the country - generally that would be a bad idea. Sadly they don't tell us they're fanatical loons on their application.The Manchester set were our own home grown fanatical loons and I'm expecting the London arseholes to be the same.

Didn't my mention that they were doing it for Allah give you a clue? Religion always gets a pass doesn't it? It's never your religion's fault is it? it's always someone else's religion. In this case it's a version of Islam's fault. It's a recognition that it's not ALL Muslims that are the problem, it's a polluted few of them. Just like your mad version of Christianity doesn't represent Christianity as a whole, these murdering bastard's version of Islam is not Islam as a whole.But my God, we'd be better off with none of these primitive, aberrant, dangerous and dumb ideas at all - no matter how seemingly benign some of them seem.

and yet I don't hear you talking about the terrorist attack on american citizens in Portland. Or speaking out against hte murder of a Us army officer at the university of Maryland.

I see your idiot president has made an even bigger twat of himself tweeting garbage about the London mayor - who is a Muslim. He really is a cock.

I condemn any murderous attack like that. But this is the thread about Trump's efforts to curtail the immigration of dangerous people into the country and those on the agenda at the moment happen to be Muslims, because even though most of them aren't violent (most of them when pressed nevertheless agree with the violence done by the extremists) the extremists act on what they believe their God has ordered them to do: kill people who reject him. Muslims are attacking people in the UK, in Europe in general and also in the US, and in fact, although it doesn't often make the news, all over the world.. Their attacks are ideologically driven, that's the point here. Other murderers have other motives, and none that I know of are decreed by their deity as Islamicists' are.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I like Trump's policies, but I agree he would do better to stay off Twitter and say nothing until he's had lots of good advice on any given subject.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes and thank you for that. But you also slammed "religion" in general. That assumes nothing but blind bias in any criticism of another religion, but I don't criticize Islam or the papacy out of some kind of religious competition but because I know enough about them to know that they are ideologically totalitarian and that Islam orders its rank and file to murder "infidels." Believe me I'd be happy happy happy if this weren't the case and I'd welcome them with open arms. They aren't at all "polluted," they are the true Muslim purists, acting on what their religion clearly teaches. The Ayatollah Khomeini some years ago came out and condemned the peaceable Muslims as cowards and as betraying their faith, since the religion clearly calls for the murder of infidels. The religion itself, not the Muslims. The Muslim people are sad victims of their religion.It is a mistake to speak of any religion "as a whole." The religion is what is decreed in the sacred writings or the highest authority. Christianity decrees peace and dying to self. The only time violence is ever supported is when official war is decreed against a dangerous enemy, and even then some Christians oppose the idea on the basis of the Bible. Never is any kind of personal violence allowed. If it occurs it is a violation of the religion's tenets.This is not the case with Islam. "As a whole" they are peaceable because they don't practice the violent parts of their religion, for which the Ayatollah Knomeini and other Muslim purists condemn them; they prefer to live peaceful lives, but that's not what their religion decrees, it decrees persecution and murder of nonMuslims. There are some versions of Islam that prefer to interpret the violence in spiritual terms although it takes some mental gymnastics to read it that way. Nevertheless they are probably the safest ones to allow into the country.
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That's because almost all religions preach violence to other beliefs in some form or another and have been used to justify all sorts of disgusting behaviours. I'm not defending their rediculous book but it's clear that the vast majority of Muslims don't interpret it in the same way and are peaceful people simply wanting to get on with their lives.Religions divide and separate people and provide reasons for the corrupt and the mad to do a lot of harm. Time to get rid of the lot of them.

I dont see how this could reasonably and fairly be done. Human nature would invent another fantasy to take religions place.

It happens naturally with education and prosperity. The Western world is gradually shaking off the worst affects of religion - the US is unique in it's fundamentalism but even there, it's gradually declining.There's no reason why dangerous beliefs once gone need be replaced by others, not if we keep trying to make progress based on creating progressive societies that are there to benefit its members not some imagined deity or crazed leader.

The religious people themselves would fight such a law. They may argue that faith in humanity has never worked. The jury is still out on that one. I can argue pro or con.

No law is needed Phat, simply education and opportunity.

It doesn't require a law, it just needs a prosperous and educated democratic society with secular law and protection of free speech. It happens naturally if it's allowed a chance.