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Davidjay 
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Message 916 of 992 (811122)
06-05-2017 10:12 AM


Politics is a CON
Faith, you're a RIGHT wing Christian and surely a Republican... NO, surely I am not misrepresenting you. Thats the game. Church Christians for the most part are put in the Republican con rather than the Democratic con. Both are deceived.

Why because your church system teaches and preaches wealth shows godliness, therefore you have to be for capitalism and the rich rather than the poor. Why because church people blame the poor for being poor, and socialistic and communistic and the other terms they use to degrade the poor, and pretend their love of liberty makes them rich or hope to make them rich. (IE their religion of materialism matches their mind set of worshipping things and power)

You as a Republican must favor Trump, although now the ultimate con is taking place where your side rejects its own, and gets manipulated into a civil war...... so the dark side can further manipulate their NWO.

Thats it... the con is destroyed by the discerning.

Politics is a total con, just like evolution.... not much difference, just lies and a con, to make people think they are masters of their lives.

Mystery solved, this thread can move on and back to truths now.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


    
New Cat's Eye
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Message 917 of 992 (811140)
06-05-2017 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 915 by Tangle
06-05-2017 7:45 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Phat writes:

The religious people themselves would fight such a law.

It doesn't require a law, it just needs a prosperous and educated democratic society with secular law and protection of free speech. It happens naturally if it's allowed a chance.

I'll stop being religious when God stops responding. Consistently increasing my prosperity and education doesn't seem to be having any effect on that

Religions divide and separate people and provide reasons for the corrupt and the mad to do a lot of harm. Time to get rid of the lot of them.

Now that there is just hateful bigotry with some intolerance.


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ringo
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Message 918 of 992 (811152)
06-05-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 917 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 11:27 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
New Cat's Eye writes:

I'll stop being religious when God stops responding.


That's what I did.
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Tangle
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Message 919 of 992 (811157)
06-05-2017 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 917 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 11:27 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
NCE writes:

I'll stop being religious when God stops responding.

How does he respond?

Consistently increasing my prosperity and education doesn't seem to be having any effect on that

Oh yes it is. You're a American Catholic I believe? Education and prosperity has radically changed what Catholicism is and what it preaches. Your beliefs are radically different from a Catholic in a pre-enlightenment era. They're even different to those of modern third world Catholics.

Your personal beliefs are effectively harmless post reformation. Your head of state no longer has an army or even official torturers - if we forget the global child abuse carried out by its priests. Happily it's lost its financial and political influence over the secular West but sadly not so in the less educated third world.

Now that there is just hateful bigotry with some intolerance.

No, it's raging fucking anger and total intolerance. We've just had the third set of religious mass murders in three of our cities in less than three months by real bigots chanting Allah's name. Don't lecture me on bigotry and intollerance of religion.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 920 of 992 (811165)
06-05-2017 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 919 by Tangle
06-05-2017 12:09 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
How does he respond?

It's hard to describe. It's non-verbal, but kinda like a Vulcan mind-meld, or something, where I receive imagery and feelings.

Do you meditate? Or do you create any art? Those are some secular activities that can be similiar.

Oh yes it is. You're a American Catholic I believe? Education and prosperity has radically changed what Catholicism is and what it preaches. Your beliefs are radically different from a Catholic in a pre-enlightenment era. They're even different to those of modern third world Catholics.

Your personal beliefs are effectively harmless post reformation. Your head of state no longer has an army or even official torturers - if we forget the global child abuse carried out by its priests. Happily it's lost its financial and political influence over the secular West but sadly not so in the less educated third world.

You were talking about getting rid of it - not keeping and adjusting it.

So sure, my religion is constantly evolving - but I'm still religious. That's what's not changing.

Now that there is just hateful bigotry with some intolerance.

No, it's raging fucking anger and total intolerance.

Yeah, and you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater because you're prejudiced.

We've just had the third set of religious mass murders in three of our cities in less than three months by real bigots chanting Allah's name. Don't lecture me on bigotry and intollerance of religion.

Oh boo-hoo. We had more people killed in St. Louis over this normal summer weekend - only two of them were children.

I guess it's only newsworthy when a religious person does it I kid, I kid.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 921 of 992 (811166)
06-05-2017 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 918 by ringo
06-05-2017 12:02 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
New Cat's Eye writes:

I'll stop being religious when God stops responding.


That's what I did.

When's the last time you honestly sought and submitted to Him?


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ringo
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Message 922 of 992 (811167)
06-05-2017 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 921 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 1:12 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
New Cat's Eye writes:

When's the last time you honestly sought and submitted to Him?


Copout. If He doesn't respond it's because I'm No True Christian, I'm not honestly seeking him or submitting to Him.
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Tangle
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Message 923 of 992 (811171)
06-05-2017 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 1:11 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
NCS writes:

How does he respond?
It's hard to describe. It's non-verbal, but kinda like a Vulcan mind-meld, or something, where I receive imagery and feelings.

Deserves a new thread where I can try to be tolerant of such stuff. At the moment my toleration an religious ideas is zero.

So sure, my religion is constantly evolving - but I'm still religious. That's what's not changing.

What you believe has changed. Thankfully.

Yeah, and you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater because you're prejudiced.

I'm throwing the bath with it. As far as I can.

Oh boo-hoo. We had more people killed in St. Louis over this normal summer weekend - only two of them were children.

That's you culture not mine. We don't do this stuff and we don't want to be like you.

I guess it's only newsworthy when a religious person does it I kid, I kid.

No, don't kid. You've normalised mass murder. We don't want ever to feel that way.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 924 of 992 (811172)
06-05-2017 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 922 by ringo
06-05-2017 1:18 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Or maybe He just doesn't like you

It was just a question...


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Message 925 of 992 (811180)
06-05-2017 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 921 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 1:12 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
When's the last time you honestly sought and submitted to Him?

You've changed, NCE. I sometimes wonder about your new handle. I think I am beginning to understand...


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 926 of 992 (811181)
06-05-2017 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 925 by NoNukes
06-05-2017 3:49 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
You've changed, NCE.

How can you tell?

I sometimes wonder about your new handle. I think I am beginning to understand...

My life's never been better


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NoNukes
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Message 927 of 992 (811182)
06-05-2017 4:09 PM


Trump undermines his case.
Apparently, President Trump in the course of tweeting about the attacks in London has taken to insisting that his immigration executive order is indeed a Muslim ban.

quote:
Trump tweeted several times on the proposed travel ban from six Muslim-majority countries, saying his Justice Department should not have submitted a "watered down, politically correct version" to the Supreme Court. The Justice Department has repeatedly tried to distance Trump's comments as President and during the campaign from its case looking to lift a legal ban against his executive order.

In previous rulings, both Trumps original order and his modified order have been found unconstitutional based on statements Trump made while campaigning. I had expected that his modified order, because it had been made in response to the original court rulings would get a pass because his lawyers could argue that they had removed the animus attached to the first order. I was wrong about that, but it would seem clear that making new comments about banning Muslims and referring directly to his executive order would be ill-advised.

George Conway, husband of Kelly C, and a strong supporter of President Trump said the following:

http://www.cnn.com/...rge-conway-travel-ban-tweet/index.html

quote:
Later Monday, Conway said Trump hurt his case and made things difficult for the Office of Solicitor General, which argues cases before the Supreme Court.
"These tweets may make some ppl feel better, but they certainly won't help OSG get 5 votes in SCOTUS, which is what actually matters. Sad."

My own conclusion is that President Trump is still trying to manage his base even at the risk of trashing his case at the Supreme Court. His base clearly does want a Muslim ban. There was a reasonable chance that he would have lost at the SC even without his comments so maybe he feels that there is nothing left to lose.

On the other hand, maybe the man is just a buffoon.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 928 of 992 (811183)
06-05-2017 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 927 by NoNukes
06-05-2017 4:09 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case.
I don't think that Trump cares about his case or the Constitution. And his supporters obviously don't care about the Constitution either. Maybe Trump still gets what he wants but if he doesn't he will use it as an excuse to attack the courts. Again.
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Faith
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Message 929 of 992 (811197)
06-05-2017 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 927 by NoNukes
06-05-2017 4:09 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
The problem with Trump is that he isn't a political wheeler-dealer. What you see is what you get. That kind of sincerity can look buffoonish at times of course, but what a breath of fresh air to have a real human being in the Presidency, flaws and all, instead of a polished plotter like most of them, and a human being who really does care about this country, really does care about the Constitution, particularly the freedoms it grants citizens of the USA for whom it was written.

If what he's doing is undermining his case I'd attribute that mostly to his enemies, both Democrats and Republicans, and those in the media, who are everywhere anyone looks these days. There's a strong conservative base for Trump but it doesn't get heard much except off to the side here and there, such as at EvC, where it's easy for the high profile Left to shout us down.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 930 of 992 (811203)
06-05-2017 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 929 by Faith
06-05-2017 7:35 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
The problem with Trump is that he isn't a political wheeler-dealer.

Faith, not blabbing BS about some court case you are involved in is not something unique to politics. Any adult should know better. Trump's advisors certainly know better. You know better. But leave it to you to find some kind of virtue in being a buffoon.

Is this Trump's first time being involved in a civil lawsuit? Then what is his excuse? I don't see one.

If what he's doing is undermining his case I'd attribute that mostly to his enemies, both Democrats and Republicans, and those in the media, who are everywhere anyone looks these days.

This statement is inane. Trump is posting his idiocy directly to Twitter. Don't you think his opponents in the legal case are going to read the president's posts? There is literally no way to blame anyone but Trump for the foolish things he tweets.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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