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jar
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Message 961 of 992 (812595)
06-17-2017 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
06-17-2017 7:16 PM


Re: So much for stereotypes.
Faith writes:

I get it, you are just fine with terrorists getting into the country because you think any attempt to vet or discriminate at all is "Islamophobia." God must be pretty fed up with us to allow this attitude to be so prevalent.

Actually, Allah is fine with us and happy about the attitude.

But again, no one is fine with terrorists whether foreign or as is far more likely, domestic.

The issue is that the Trump Administration is not bright enough to figure out a policy that meets US Constitutional muster. The boy's just not very bright it seems.


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Message 962 of 992 (812618)
06-18-2017 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
06-17-2017 7:16 PM


This is the response I wanted to give
I didn't really like my previous response. In the interests of honesty and openness, I didn't eliminate it; I've hidden the text in case anyone wants to read it and reply to it.

What I should have said is this:

When I see a response like the one you just gave, I don't know what to make of it. I don't know whether you're just ranting out of frustration, or whether you really do think that I literally believe what you said I believe.

I also don't know whether you're trying to provoke a similar response from me, or whether you're trying to end the conversation but don't want to give me the last word.

I am a bit disappointed that you don't feel that I'm worth your time or effort. But fair enough; there are people I don't feel are worth my time, either, so I can't complain.

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Well, you're the one that mentioned Trump's "vetting process". I'm asking what the status on his vetting process is.

It could be that they really are working on reviewing the current process for vetting refugees and immigrants and that they really are developing an improvement for that process.

I'm a bit disappointed, though, that you don't feel that I'm worth your time or effort to engage in a kind of, almost civil discussion. But fair enough; there are people who I don't find are worth my time to talk to, so I can't really complain.

I suspect, though, that all they really intend to do is scream about how the courts and the Democrats and the Communists are blocking their efforts to "make America great again" because that seems to work in getting their base all fired up.

Have you heard anything about this "vetting process" that's supposed to be an improvement over what we already have?

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Message 963 of 992 (812628)
06-18-2017 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 962 by Chiroptera
06-18-2017 11:21 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The thing you said originally implied that you think I am stereotyping people, but that misunderstands everything I've said on the subject which is not about people but about the ideology. That seemed too much to get into in this context so all I said was basically that the Muslims you described show a humanity that has nothing to do with their religion. Meaning it's the ideology that is the problem but I'm glad some people can transcend it, and that people who can transcend it would pass the vetting test. Any vetting test. I don't know anything about the actual vetting system, it was just a way of saying some Muslims aren't a danger because they aren't slavish followers of Islam.

Your response seemed to call me Islamophobic. The term is a red flag to me, implying that there are no good reasons to be wary of Islam, Islam as such, the religion as such, the belief system itself, what Mohammed taught and the people follow, but the religion is evil and should be feared and shunned. Some Muslims manage not to live completely by it so presumably they aren't terrorists, though of course any individual Muslim could still become a true believer in the fundamental religion which calls for terrorism in the service of taking the world for Allah. Again it's the ideology not the people that's the problem. The people become a problem when they are committed to living the ideology completely, which prescribes the death of "infidels."

Although what you said wasn't at all clear to me, it sounded enough like the usual accusation I get here to not want to get into that usual exchange, but perhaps it wasn't. I probably still don't know what you are trying to say, the whole thing is confused and I don't know where to begin to sort it out.

abe:
1) Focusing on people instead of the ideology of Islam itself misses the point about why there is a problem allowing Muslims into the country.

2) The term "Islamophobia" is ideologically Marxist, the typically Marxist shaming and debunking accusation against anyone who knows that Islam is a dangerous belief system.

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Message 964 of 992 (812660)
06-19-2017 8:51 AM
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06-18-2017 2:54 PM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The thing you said originally implied that you think I am stereotyping people...

The term "Islamophobia" is ideologically Marxist, the typically Marxist shaming and debunking accusation against anyone who knows that Islam is a dangerous belief system.

Stereotyping much?

Islamophobia is hatred of Islam, no matter for what reason. You are an Islamophobe.


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Faith
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Message 965 of 992 (812662)
06-19-2017 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 964 by JonF
06-19-2017 8:51 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
It's a pejorative term. Why should hatred of Islam be denigrated when it's so completely reasonable? It's the weirdest thing, hating the people who hate the evil ideology that wants to take over the world and subjugate everyone else. Insane how it's the opponents of Islam, the ones who know what it's really all about, who are vilified. In such righteous tones too. You sound so sure of yourself, so self righteous, against anyone who tries to warn you of the truth. The world has truly gone utterly insane.
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Message 966 of 992 (812666)
06-19-2017 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 965 by Faith
06-19-2017 8:58 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
{Deleted unwarranted insult}.

I know you think your opinion is justified, and I know you think you cannot ever be wrong, but the real world begs to differ.

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Message 967 of 992 (812668)
06-19-2017 9:23 AM
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06-19-2017 9:16 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The world is crazy. You are embracing an ideology that's at least as evil and murderous as Nazism and Stalinism and you're attacking the people who are trying to warn you. I can keep saying it but I guess you'll just keep denying it and calling me names. The Nazis put people in concentration camps; the Communists sent people to the gulag. How soon I wonder will the Left have to get rid of us dissenters too?
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Message 968 of 992 (812671)
06-19-2017 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 967 by Faith
06-19-2017 9:23 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Faith writes:

The Nazis put people in concentration camps; the Communists sent people to the gulag. How soon I wonder will the Left have to get rid of us dissenters too?

Why would anyone want to get rid of such a great source for comedy? At least as long as we can keep Trump and the other Fascists from destroying the Constitution dissenters are safe in the US. But you are right to be fearful based on the actions and behaviors of the Trump Administration. They certainly would like to get rid of the dissenters.


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Message 969 of 992 (812751)
06-20-2017 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 968 by jar
06-19-2017 9:34 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The weird sad thing is that Trump is not the Fascist, the Leftists are the fascists. Trump is the anti-fascist, the one who wants to promote American freedoms.

As Reagan said,

If fascism ever comes to America it will come in the guise of liberalism.

He was right, it's here and of course the Left is calling the good guys the fascists in this craziest of all crazy worlds.


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2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

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If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Message 970 of 992 (812753)
06-20-2017 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 969 by Faith
06-20-2017 12:49 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
He was right, it's here and of course the Left is calling the good guys the fascists in this craziest of all crazy worlds.

Forcing families apart is "the good guys" how?


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Message 971 of 992 (812759)
06-20-2017 5:53 AM
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06-20-2017 1:47 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Since you don't say what you mean I'll guess. I suppose you are putting a bleeding heart spin on illegal activity. Sad if people do things illegally and in spite of all the best effort to prevent the saddest outcome have to suffer for their illegal acts. Perhaps we should be louder and clearer about consequences for illegal acts so people won't get themselves into such painful situations. I wonder if I'll ever see you say something in favor of law over emotion. Probbly not, Marxists prefer having someone to blame for the troubles other people get themselves into.

Of course maybe you aren't even talking about illegal activity? Maybe you're talking about something else? Who can fathom the devious mind of a Marxist?

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jar
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Message 972 of 992 (812774)
06-20-2017 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 969 by Faith
06-20-2017 12:49 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Faith writes:

The weird sad thing is that Trump is not the Fascist, the Leftists are the fascists. Trump is the anti-fascist, the one who wants to promote American freedoms.

Yet you can provide no evidence to support that absurd assertion while Court after Court says that Trump policies are illegal and un-Constitutional.


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Message 973 of 992 (812776)
06-20-2017 7:54 AM
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06-20-2017 7:27 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
It's that bad, yes, that the courts are in thrall to the Left.

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Message 974 of 992 (812778)
06-20-2017 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 973 by Faith
06-20-2017 7:54 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
LOL

Faith writes:

It's that bad, yes, that the courts are in thrall to the Left.

Or maybe they actually support the US Constitution and the concept that humans have rights.

But the fact remains that the Trump Administration has so far proposed actions that the courts have found to be unconstitutional.

It really is that simple.


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Message 975 of 992 (812781)
06-20-2017 8:34 AM
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06-20-2017 8:29 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Then shoot me because I don't want to live in a Leftist-defined America.
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