Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.

Well, you go ahead and try to establish morality from a theistic standpoint, and we'll see if you can do any better.

Since you haven't tried, you have failed.

And you're still not going to try? Is this because you regard the task as hopeless or merely because you're lazy?

If it was really indisputable, wouldn't there be a good argument for it somewhere? Or on crass stupidity. That would be consistent with the complete, utter, glaring absence of a "complicated analysis of possibilities in the natural world" proving that "evolution could not account for morality and human consciousness". Whereas stupidity is abundant and easy to find, especially in creationist apologetics.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

But I don't act morally. I've picked up sticks on Saturday. I've eaten shellfish. I've worn garments woven out of more than one kind of fabric.And more generally it seems that we don't all have the same intrinsic law put inside of us by God, since we all think that different things are right and wrong.

And so that explains why us all having the same moral law written on our hearts by the same god looks exactly like us not all having the same moral law written on our hearts by the same god.

But, again, I said we don't think that the same things are right and wrong. It's not that we all recognize the same morality, but some of us are ignoring it. It's that we do not in fact recognize the same morality.For example, the old testament authors thought it right to murder a man for picking up sticks on a Saturday. Now, this is not something I acknowledge in principle as an obligation but casually ignore, like someone running a red light; it is something I actively find ridiculous and disgusting.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

I haven't been following the thread. Did Dawn ever come up with a rational theistic explanation for morality?

So, just checking in, did Dawn Bertot come up with a theistic justification of morals?

You'll be shocked to learn that many people have made such a decision. For example, many of them have decided that the precepts contained in the Bible are moral. Someone should really tell them to stop.

One could? Go on then. Give it a try.

Whom do you hope to deceive by drooling out this stupid lie? Whom do you hope to deceive by drooling out this stupid lie?

Yes he can. Obviously. No it doesn't. Obviously. Which is why you can't argue for this. Atheists are not obliged to commit the genetic fallacy.Imagine if you turned the same crazy illogic on your own beliefs. "A creationist must also accept that since humans are the product of an omnipotent invisible sinless being, humans are themselves omnipotent, invisible, and sinless. So he cannot argue that humans are visible because to do so is to contradict the very religion he holds to be true."Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

This seems to be obviously false, so you're going to need to argue for it rather than asserting it. There seems to be no more basis for you to assert that all collections of atoms are equally important than there is for you to assert that they are equally heavy, or equally hot.

We are familiar with your absurd dogma, there is no need for you to repeat it.There is a crying need for you to find some evidence for it, but I'm not holding my breath.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.