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Author Topic:   Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.
Minnemooseus
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Message 571 of 1006 (804894)
04-13-2017 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by Dredge
04-13-2017 1:59 AM


In the moral big picture, humans or bees more important?
Yes, okay; an atheist can argue that a human is of more worth than a bug, but his argument is based on nothing more his own opinion, an opinion that isn't supported by science. In fact, science opposes his opinion; science implies that one form of life is no more important than any other form of life. To claim that the life of human being is worth more than the life of a bug is to be unscientific. As an atheist once told me, "We're just grubs.".
If one opines that a human life is worth more than the life of a bug, which part of science says this opinion is correct?
In the moral big picture of the Earth's ecology, are humans or bees more important (worth more)?
If humans were eliminated from the Earth, would the Earth's ecology be better off or worse off?
If bees were eliminated from the Earth, would the Earth's ecology be better off or worse off?
I say humans are of negative worth and bees are of positive worth. Bees are of more worth than humans.
Moose

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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Minnemooseus
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Message 612 of 1006 (805111)
04-15-2017 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Minnemooseus
04-13-2017 11:31 PM


Re: In the moral big picture, humans or bees more important?
BUMP!
Anybody going to comment on my previous message?
From a scientific (and general moral) perspective, bees are of far more worth than humans.
Bees are essential or near essential for the good of the Earth's ecology, while humans have a gross negative impact.
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Change "Nobody" to "Anybody".

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 615 of 1006 (805114)
04-15-2017 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 613 by Dredge
04-15-2017 7:39 PM


Re: In the moral big picture, humans or bees more important?
In message 612 I said:
Bees are essential or near essential for the good of the Earth's ecology, while humans have a gross negative impact.
Agree or disagree?
Dredge writes:
If you think bees are worth more than humans, does that mean killing a human is less immoral than killing a bee?
I think killing a human and killing a bee is equally immoral. Killing a human, however, is much more illegal.
^ See "Modified by edit", below. ^
How about the killing of 150 pounds of human vs. killing 150 pounds of bees? That's a lot of bees.
I hate to advocate genocide, but leaving such up to God, I think the planet would have been a lot better off had God eliminate Noah and family also. Humanity is rather a disease upon planet Earth.
So, was God being moral in how "the flood" was executed?
Moose
Modified by edit:
Above I said "I think killing a human and killing a bee is equally immoral. Killing a human, however, is much more illegal."
I would like to change that to:
I think killing a human and killing a bee are both immoral. Considering the impact of such upon society, killing a human is much more immoral. That's why killing a human is also much more illegal.
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Modified by edit.

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