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Message 61 of 70 (808816)
05-13-2017 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Davidjay
05-13-2017 7:59 AM


Re: I am for peace; but when I speak, they are for war.
Calling me names, without disproving what I have said

You are going to find that fewer and fewer folks here will make the effort to debate with you because of your methods and tactics. If your goal is to be right without a debate or without resolving the disagreement between yourself and others, then you have chosen the right path.

As Hercules once said, "only a fool attempts to prove his strength at every turn," all the while failing to see that he was exactly that kind of fool.

God bless you Davidjay. You are a winner of the kind I could never be.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 62 of 70 (808834)
05-13-2017 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Davidjay
05-13-2017 7:59 AM


Re: I am for peace; but when I speak, they are for war.
Jesus opposes wars, evolution supports racism and wars, nationalism supports wars, greed and selfishness supports wars...

"Onward Christian soldiers......"


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 63 of 70 (808881)
05-14-2017 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Tanypteryx
05-13-2017 2:26 PM


Re: I am for peace; but when I speak, they are for war.
Onward Christian soldiers..... are soldiers because rather than fighting for war and mayhem and destruction and killing, we fight with love that destroys all the causes of war (like racism and ev********...etc etc.)

We fight for peace and use actions and words to try and convince those that are for war, and war industries, and for the war economies to stop their wars.

We do it peacefully and with our weapon of love for we are not carnal and do not believe in weapons of minor or major destruction.

*******************

"No weapon that is formed against us shall prosper"

When the Lord said this, in Isaiah 54,17, He wasn't thinking in terms of bows and arrows and sling shots but of any and
every weapon ever invented in the evil minds of man, So don't think that bullets can't be stopped. or that nuclear weapons
are the ultimate power in the Universe, because they aren't, and the Lord is much stronger than the world and all its
weapons put together. We don;t have to arm ourselves as the Lord is our defense and our offense. We need not fear what
man can do to us, now or in the future if we are obediantly following the Lord. And even though the dark forces of the
present world and the world empire of the A.C. shall declare war on us, none of their weapons of war shall defeat us .... 'no
weapon that is formed against us shall prosper'. And when the Lord says it, He means it.

We don't have to have carnal weapons or worldly power to fight the power of the world and their weapons of mass
destruction, Our defense is in the Lord and not in man or in our numbers nor in man-made weapons. We, the Lord's Army,
will be protected by the Lord supernaturally, (Joel 2), with a fire surrounded us and a cloud above us. And if He has
negated all electronic communication via the radiation interference of the nuclear war that will be happenning before our
fleeing to the wilderness, they won;t even be able to use their so-called high tech weapons anyway. So do consider, our
brother's Joel's prophetic words from Joel 2 : 3-12 ....

A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and
behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of
horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the
noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be
much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war;
and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Neither shall one thrust another; they
shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter
in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the
heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shallbe dark, and the stars shall withdraw their
shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his
word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? (Joel 2)

It's because of this protection and offense of the Lord himself with even Michael the archangel and his legions fighting
with us, that we can fight on unafraid. Our Two Prophets can come and go without bodyguards if directed and go back and
forth to Jerusalem to deliver the Lord's judgments without fear. 'What is man that we are mindful of Him' for we FEAR the
LORD and not man. These aren't loose words, but actual truths that we will be living. So when Isaiah, another one of our
brethren says

Isaiah 54. In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression;(he means it, the Lord means it)
for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. (We will flee into the arms of the Lord and His
protection)

Isa 54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, [but] not by me: (but by the A.C. and his horde) whosoever shall
gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake. (Amen and rightly so, because this isn't some sort of spiritual game but a
real life reality that will happen and the Lord will judge those that oppse us.)

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his
work;( a sharp toothed intrument) and I have created the waster to destroy. (the Lord's Tribulation angels)

Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment
thou shalt condemn. (Even their words of hatred will be condemed and judged and turned back upon them) This isthe
heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. (for Jesus is our Righteousness
because we have none of our own.)

So, in my opinion, no literal weapon formed against us, whether nuclear, biological or otherwise will prosper against us,
when we are with the LORD.

In His Service

Jay


.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 64 of 70 (809315)
05-17-2017 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Davidjay
05-14-2017 10:31 AM


Re: I am for peace; but when I speak, they are for war.
Name calling and slandering others is not acceptable. Telling me to 'Fuck myself, and that evolutionists can write anything they fucking want is not civil and moral, but a sign of greater problems within frustrated evolutionists who literally have no moral base, as well as those that rule over them.

Hence, written words for war and for war industries is not funny or a mere debate, because atitutes and ideas in peoples minds do come out in literal ACTIONS. With war in peoples hearts, they will support war and will support doctrines that promote war, like the doctrine of evolution.


Being told to Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want' by Cats eye to me is against the rules of civil debate, but this board says otherewise and allows evolutionists do write such vulgar comments without punishment.

Evolutionists are used to forcing their theory on students and scientists. They are not used to answering any questions on this theory, because it is their religion. And as a religion it must be accepted by faith.... It is not science and it is not logical or rational and has no facts behind it. Evolution is a con and a LIE. A big one, but because it is forced on the gullible and on students, they must accept it. This their modus operandi...and so when faced with sane biological opposition, they can only be subjective rather than objective.


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Message 65 of 70 (810319)
05-27-2017 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Davidjay
05-17-2017 7:20 PM


Re: I am for peace; but when I speak, they are for war.
100 billion dollar weapons deal with the Saudis, so the Saudis can further decimate poor Yemen and then move onto I***.

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 66 of 70 (811130)
06-05-2017 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Riggamortis
02-19-2017 12:42 AM


Re: War for profit
Agreed, wars are for econmic reasons not for freeing countries.

Read what LaMark wrote

'Trump budget is bonanza for defense contractors, disastrous for American safety.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

See Monday, May 29, 2017 New York Times article, Proposed Cuts Alarm Bioterrorism Experts : 'They're Just Gutting Things ' by Emily Baumgaertner.
The New York Times is pro military spending and they never slant a story as indicating military contracts are corrupt, but the article couldn't help but notice that Americans are not "safe" under the Trump budget as it relates to deadly pathogens.

"

Politics is into greed and money for their citizens, and war and war industries keep them rich.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 67 of 70 (811497)
06-08-2017 7:37 PM
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06-05-2017 10:49 AM


Re: War for profit
Hmmm. right after the Saudi visit..

Saudi isolates Qatar, in its march towards Iran...

And Iran gets attacked by mercendaries from some country...

The discerning will have discernered.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 68 of 70 (811616)
06-09-2017 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 7:37 PM


Re: War for profit
And as per usual, every war will be about a nations want and greed for more money and power. In this case, oil and natural gas, but they wont admit their motivation, so make one up so as to try and deceive their followers into giving up their lives for the greater deceptive cause...... rather than the lower blatant greedy cause.

Thats human nature and thats todays current events... now you know.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 69 of 70 (814254)
07-05-2017 12:33 PM


USA TODAY: Coalition airstrikes killed 500 civilians in Syria in June!
See USA Today member of Board of Contributors JAMES BOVARD article in June 27, 2017 titled TRUMP's RECKLESS SYRIA FOLLY

quote:

The carnage is sufficiently embarrassing that "the Pentagon will no longer acknowledge when its own aircraft are responsible for civilian casualty incidents," Micah Zenko of the Council of Foreign Relations recently noted.

WHITE PHOSPORUS
U. S.-led forces are reportedly bombarding the besieged city of Raqqa with white phosphorus...

.. ..
The biggest policy delusion driving U. S. policy is the quest for "moderate rebels" ... America has spent billions aiding and training Syrian forces who either quickly collapsed on the battlefield or teamed up with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or al-Qaeda-linked forces.

Policy is so muddled that Pentagon-backed Syrian rebels have openly battled CIA-backed rebels.
....
Former CIA officer Phil Giraldi observed, "The Saudis, Quataris, Turks and Israelis are all currently (or recently) in bed with terrorist groups ( in Syria ) that the United States is pledged to destroy "

The Syrian government has never threatened the United States...
....
Killing vast numbers of civilians sows the seeds of future terrorist attacks on America.


There is a group Air Wars that tracks civilian casualty incidents and it is an honest group.


    
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Message 70 of 70 (838168)
08-15-2018 12:51 AM


In immigration thread, I mentioned a $72 billion defense spending increase.
It appears that we are looking at an actual increase of $167 billion per year.

The $716 budget was just signed. I just read it in the paper today. The article made an issue of Trump and McCain having a feud, but made no issue of the fiscal problems.

This has been a developing situation and a lot of internal wrangling over how much the increase would be. The military industry is fat and fat begets fat. They have quite a lot of profits which gives the industry a massive amount of $ to spend to influence the media, congress, public,etc. on SPENDING EVEN MORE.

The message is always: Spend more, ever more. More, More, More.

We need to make sure the military spending gets the blame for the future fiscal woes. The industry pays for a lot of the media noise that will always points the finger of culpability elsewhere.

Let us document this massive financial fraud committed against the nation and the people.

Back a year ago, the Trump proposal was to increase the budget alot, but the proposed $603 billion a year was seen as too small for the GOP congress. They wanted it to be $621 billion a year.

quote:

http://www.foxnews.com/...lion-military-budget-into-law.html

WHITE HOUSE December 12th, 2017
Trump signs $700 billion military budget into law

WASHINGTON-- President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed into law a sweeping defense policy bill that authorizes a $700 billion budget for the military, including additional spending on missile defense programs to counter North Korea's growing nuclear weapons threat.

But there's a catch. The $700 billion budget won't become reality until lawmakers agree to roll back a 2011 law that set strict limits on federal spending, including by the Defense Department -- and they haven't yet.

The law caps 2018 defense spending at $549 billion.


Here was what I said in the immigration thread.

quote:

Message 6 of 151 (814079)
07-04-2017 8:38 AM

Understand that the $71.5 billion defense budget increase ( will be a cost that must be paid for each and every year - NEXT year and for every year we must pay for ) that the Congress just proposed is only possible to pay for due to our small upfront investment in immigrants from the past few generations ( and longer back ).

http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=19408


Here are some blasts from the past.

quote:

A Pentagon Budget Like None Before: $700 Billion | Military.com

https://www.military.com/...gon-budget-none-700-billion.html

Feb 11, 2018 - Next year the budget would rise to $716 billion. Together, the two-year deal provides what Defense Secretary Jim Mattis says is needed to pull ...

How The Pentagon Plans To Spend That Extra $61 Billion : Parallels ...

https://www.npr.org/...-plans-to-spend-that-extra-61-billion
Mar 26, 2018 - With the increase, Congress boosted the overall military budget to $700 billion this year. The challenge: How to spend all that extra money ...
Missing: 71.5 ‎| ‎Must include: ‎71.5

House committee eyes $18.5 billion increase to Trump defense budget

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-budget-idUSKBN19H2QB

Jun 26, 2017 - U.S. lawmakers said on Monday they wanted another $18.5 billion added to President Donald Trump's proposed defense budget of $603 ...
Missing: 71.5 ‎| ‎Must include: ‎71.5

Senate backs massive increase in military spending | Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/...ssive-increase-in-military-spendi...

Sep 18, 2017 - The U.S. Senate passed its version of a $700 billion defense policy bill on Monday, backing President Donald Trump's call for a bigger, ...
Missing: 71.5 ‎| ‎Must include: ‎71.5

Robert Reich: Trump Increased Military Spending By Over $200 Billion ...

https://www.newsweek.com/...eased-military-spending-over-200...

Jun 19, 2018 - As Trump stokes tensions around the world, he's adding fuel to the fire by demanding even more Pentagon spending. It's a dangerous military ...
Missing: 71.5 ‎| ‎Must include: ‎71.5


And

quote:

Congress proposes defense budget $37 billion higher than Trump's ...
https://www.cnn.com/...gress-trump-defense-budget/index.html
Updated 7:06 PM ET, Thu June 22, 2017 .... The House Budget Committee is currently considering proposing a $621 billion defense budget as a compromise, ...

First on CNN: House defense bill boosts spending on fighter jets, ships ...
https://www.cnn.com/...ouse-defense-bill-major.../index.html
The House's defense authorization bill includes a major $21 billion boost to ... Updated 5:55 PM ET, Fri June 23, 2017 ...

The bill would provide $27 billion more than the Trump budget proposes ... The House Budget Committee is currently considering proposing a budget with a $621 billion topline for defense, which is more ...

Congress sends Trump $700 billion military spending bill - AP News
https://www.apnews.com/93199e505f09474981cf9c9ef52864d6
Nov 16, 2017 - While the $700 billion military budget is a powerful political statement, the $700 billion plan remains notional until Congress can agree to ... The cap mandated by the law on national defense spending for the 2018 budget year is $549 billion. Republicans and Democrats haven't been able to strike a deal so ...
Missing: million ‎$621 ‎june

Congress Sends Trump $700 Billion Military Spending Bill | Political ...
https://www.usnews.com/...uthorizes-billions-more-than-trump-...
Nov 16, 2017 - That's far more than President Donald Trump requested and greatly ... 16, 2017, at 3:56 p.m. ... While the $700 billion military budget is a powerful political statement, the $700 billion plan remains notional until Congress can agree to roll ... national defense spending for the 2018 budget year is $549 billion.
Missing: million ‎$621

House Budget Committee reaches tentative $621 billion defense deal ...
https://www.politico.com/...udget-committee-reaches-tentativ...
Jun 22, 2017 - 06/22/2017 10:00 AM EDT ... BUT HOUSE REPUBLICANS STILL STRUGGLE FOR BUDGET ... budget, well above President Donald Trump's $603 billion budget proposal and substantially higher than the current $549 billion defense spending cap...Budget writers have called for $621 billion for defense, ...

Congress Bucks White House Budget Proposal, Shows Commitment ...
https://www.dailysignal.com/...hite-house-budget-proposal-sh...
Jul 5, 2017 - President Trump's defense budget request was unnecessarily low. ... I., before testifying to the Senate Armed Services Committee on June 13. ... The Senate decided on $640 billion, and the House agreed on $621 billion. ... the statutorily allowed defense discretionary budget to $549 billion for 2018.

[PDF]House Appropriators Turn Away from Trump Budget Request
https://www.usetinc.org/.../.../House%20Appropriators%20Turn%...
June 27, 2017 5:00 p.m. ... determine spending levels and policy, not a GOP White House. ... The Energy-Water bill is $3.7 billion more than the Trump proposal. The Legislative Branch spending bill is currently $228 million below the request, but ... $621 billion for defense discretionary the numbers that have tentatively ...

Senate unveils $700B defense authorization plan - Defense News
https://www.defensenews.com/...-700b-defense-authorization-p...
By: Leo Shane III June 28, 2017 ... The cap is set at $549 billion for defense base funding next year. The Senate plan calls for $640 billion in base defense spending, well above the $621 billion in the House plan and $603 billion outlined ... The difference saves about $200 million that Pentagon planners hope to redirect to ...

Congress' defense budget plans point to an uncertain military buildup
https://www.defensenews.com/...ense-budget-plans-point-to-an-...
Both the House and Senate support Trump's plans to boost military spending, but the ... a nearly $697 billion military spending plan with a $621 billion base budget. ... close to the $549-billion spending cap mandated by Congress for fiscal 2018. ... save Pentagon planners $200 million next year and $1.4 billion over the next ...



    
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