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Author Topic:   What's the difference between Islam and Radical Islam?
jar
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Message 11 of 146 (801568)
03-07-2017 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Modulous
03-07-2017 8:35 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Aftermath of the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel

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Message 14 of 146 (801572)
03-07-2017 8:54 PM


Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (twern't the Mormons...)
Oklahomacitybombing-DF-ST-98-01356

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Message 16 of 146 (801574)
03-07-2017 9:24 PM


On radical terrorist groups
We tend to forget that terrorist organizations are not really something new nor are they unique to any particular culture. The commander of a Jewish Terrorist organization the Irgun, that bombed British forces into leaving Palestine (yup, it was Arab Palestine before there was a modern Israel) ended up the Prime Minister of modern Israel. And the British were not the only target of the Irgun, Palestinian government offices, businesses and citizens were also targeted.
The US has funded, supported and even created terrorist groups when it suited US economic or political interests to destabilize a region or overthrow a government.
The goal of terrorism is to cause the other side to over respond. The attack of 9-11 was never a threat to the US, it was a tragedy but the biggest tragedy was that it was a surprise. The reality was that there had been several best selling novels before then that used the plot device of flying a hijacked plane into politically sensitive targets.
The biggest difference between the stories and reality is that in the stories the response shows a limited and strategic retaliation against the actual planners of the attacks and not absolutely silly invasions of two nations that had absolutely nothing to do with planning or executing the attacks.
Our response was far more than the terrorist planners could have ever hoped for.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin int ----> into sill ---> silly

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Message 18 of 146 (801576)
03-07-2017 9:34 PM
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03-07-2017 9:30 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Coyote writes:
Worldwide religions:
Islam, 1.6 billion
Judaism 14 million
Lost me there. What could that possibly have to do with the topic?

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Message 23 of 146 (801591)
03-08-2017 9:00 AM
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03-08-2017 5:56 AM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
You do know that everyone applying for a Visa to enter the US already is asked what their purpose is in visiting the US don't you? And lying on a Visa application is sufficient grounds for deportation already.

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Message 35 of 146 (801616)
03-08-2017 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
03-08-2017 1:50 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
She's right, Wahhabiism and ISIS represent the true Islam of Mohammed.; She made the point. Most sane people know this already.
Well no Faith, she's not right and no sane person would believe her. For Mohammed, Jews and Christians are not infidels and are people of the Book since all three religions worship the same God. Most sane honest people know this already.
Faith writes:
Oh, too bad I missed Horowitz's clever characterization, and of course he's right, "Justice in Palestine Week" promoted by the MSA is certainly well translated as "Hitler Youth Week." Clever of him.
Only a bigot and liar would translate that like that.

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jar
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Message 38 of 146 (801624)
03-08-2017 2:03 PM
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03-08-2017 2:01 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
YObviously you didn't bother to listen to her talk.
You are correct. You see I actually know what Mohammad believed and the history of the Caliphate and don't need stupid videos.

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jar
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Message 39 of 146 (801625)
03-08-2017 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
03-08-2017 2:02 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Or someone who was sane and honest.

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Message 43 of 146 (801631)
03-08-2017 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Faith
03-08-2017 2:09 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
You are an ignoramus. As she recounted the history -- and you can get this history in many places, she didn't make it up -- go listen to the first few minutes where she says the first twelve years of Islam were peaceful because Mohammed couldn't get more than a few family members to buy it. Then he got the bright idea of getting Jews to accept it, so he said nice things about the Jews, called them the People of the Book, and he added stuff to the Koran from the Old Testament, also added some Jewish laws to his religion, such as not eating pork, praying twice a day, fasting on a special religious holiday etc. Trying to make it appeal to the Jews of the city of Medina.
Faith, that is what she asserts happened not what actually happened. She is simply like all apologists making shit up.
Faith writes:
When they refused it he slaughtered them. He went on slaughtering. That's how Islam became a religion of hating Jews and Christians, turning them into dhimmis etc. You really should learn a few things about Islam.
Again Faith, that is simply made up shit and reality and facts and honesty totally refute it.
When Christianity was burning Jews and driving them from their homes it was the Muslim Caliphate that sent ships to rescue them. The Jews and Muslims lived together for over a thousand years with the Muslims actually guaranteeing the safe passage of Christians and Jews to visit the Sacred Shrines of the Middle east and to protect those holy places.
Your problem is you listen to videos from all the nutjobs out there.
Go to a mosque. Sit down with the Imam and actually learn something.

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jar
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Message 49 of 146 (801658)
03-08-2017 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
03-08-2017 2:38 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
You are the one who is making shit up as usual. As I said her account is well known. You need to learn a few things about Islam.
Her lies are oft repeated, that is true. But some of us don't relying on videos and actually read things like the Bible and the Qur'an and history books.

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jar
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Message 50 of 146 (801660)
03-08-2017 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
03-08-2017 2:39 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
LOL
My evidence is the actual history. When the Jews were driven out of Spain it was the Caliph of Constantinople (it was a Muslim area then) sent ships to bring the Jews back to the middle east. Until 1099 when the Crusaders conquered Palestine the Jews and Muslims had lived together peacefully. Try reading A History of Palestine, 634-1099 by Moshe Gil for a recent work on the subject, but believe it or not, everything I've mention was taught in my Christian High School history classes.

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jar
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Message 57 of 146 (801667)
03-08-2017 3:58 PM
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03-08-2017 3:47 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
They told you the nice stuff, or made it up, and left out the endless ongoing kidnapings, rapes, murders and do on.
Not at all Faith. We covered the sack, rape and pillage of Constantinople by the Christian Crusaders in depth.

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Message 76 of 146 (801902)
03-10-2017 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by New Cat's Eye
03-10-2017 9:48 AM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
NCE writes:
The Muslim terrorists say other things too. Like bringing Sharia to the whole world. I didn't see anything like that from the Jews.
There is a reason for that. Islam and Christianity are proselytizing religions, they both seek to expand the member base. Judaism is quite different. It is a separatist/isolationist/non-recruiting religion. You become a Jew by birth rather than conversion.

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jar
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Message 115 of 146 (801977)
03-10-2017 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:21 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Faith writes:
But address the most telling point: Islam teaches that "Allah has no Son" and if you are a Christian I don't see how you can pretend there's any similarity with Christianity because of that alone.
What an utterly stupid thing to say Faith. No one has claimed they are not two different religions but just as with the Jews (who also know, not just believe) that God has no son worship the very same God as the Christian creation.

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Message 124 of 146 (802004)
03-11-2017 6:45 AM
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03-11-2017 5:39 AM


Re: Polytheistic origins of Islam
Faith writes:
Even if there was a vague memory of the one true God in the polytheistic religions, He was not worshipped in any special way apart from all the other gods, was barely above them at all, being at best the No. one god in a pantheon.
First Faith, the polytheistic religions are much much older than any of the monotheistic religions.
Second, the Judaic God was not a the only God even in the Bible. The existence of other Gods is affirmed throughout the Old and much of the new Testament. The three Judaic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam worship only one God and it is the very same God.
However that says nothing about the existence of other Gods.
The rest of your post is simply made up stuff that gets marketed by the apologists but with no real Biblical support.

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