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Author Topic:   What's the difference between Islam and Radical Islam?
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Message 76 of 146 (801902)
03-10-2017 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by New Cat's Eye
03-10-2017 9:48 AM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
NCE writes:

The Muslim terrorists say other things too. Like bringing Sharia to the whole world. I didn't see anything like that from the Jews.

There is a reason for that. Islam and Christianity are proselytizing religions, they both seek to expand the member base. Judaism is quite different. It is a separatist/isolationist/non-recruiting religion. You become a Jew by birth rather than conversion.


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Message 77 of 146 (801908)
03-10-2017 10:30 AM
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03-10-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
NCE writes:

The Muslim terrorists say other things too. Like bringing Sharia to the whole world. I didn't see anything like that from the Jews.

There is a reason for that. Islam and Christianity are proselytizing religions, they both seek to expand the member base. Judaism is quite different. It is a separatist/isolationist/non-recruiting religion. You become a Jew by birth rather than conversion.

Yeah, that's part of the reason why I don't see "the Jews are bad too" as being very helpful in combating Islamic (or even Christian) terrorism.


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Message 78 of 146 (801912)
03-10-2017 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
03-09-2017 6:03 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Faith writes:

Is'am's motivations derive completely from their sacred writings.


Muslims' motivations are pretty much the same as anybody else's: to give their children a good start in life. (It's an evolutionary thing.)

That's why so many of them come over here.


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Message 79 of 146 (801927)
03-10-2017 12:38 PM
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03-10-2017 3:17 AM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
And that's not being a dupe and a patsy?

Exactly. When you say things, I listen to your motivations for what you say - it would be silly of me to listen to your enemy's explanation alone, wouldn't it?


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Message 80 of 146 (801928)
03-10-2017 12:50 PM
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03-10-2017 9:48 AM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
It wouldn't help if we are wrongly assuming they are all the same.

Suggesting we learn from history is not suggesting the past is the same as the present. I'm not suggesting we assume all people who do 'x' are the same throughout all time.

The Muslim terrorists say other things too.

Sure, they say things like

"This traffic is terrible"
"I hope Manchester United wins the league"

and so on.

Like bringing Sharia to the whole world.

Many religious people believe in bringing their religious morality to the rest of the world. Many atheists believe in bringing their irreligious morality to the rest of the world. Most of them aren't terrorists. So I don't see how this is a useful data point in the discussion.

I didn't see anything like that from the Jews.

You should check out the Tanakh at some point....


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Message 81 of 146 (801934)
03-10-2017 2:03 PM
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03-10-2017 11:05 AM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Muslims' motivations are pretty m;uch the same as anybody else's

The amazing western blindness about what Islam is and does and has always done historically, and plans to do again when they get the chance, is staggering. They murdered 270,000,000* nonMuslims (Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus) over their 1400 year Caliphate that ended in 1924. They still aim to revive their Caliphate, whether by the sword or by immigration and population growth, which includes rape as a method of growing the population, and it's all written down, it's been preached by imam after imam and yet westerners persist in believing they have no such motivations, they are just like us. They point to present apparent peacefulness wherever it seems to exist as some kind of evidence, which is evidence of nothing except that the current time is not a good time to try to press for the Caliphate. They believe that time will come though, and actually it appears to be on the brink in Europe even now, judging by their openness there about such plans (I'll post the video again if it would help, where imams and other Muslim leaders carry on about destroying Europe and bringing it under the Caliphate.)

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* That number I've heard in more than one place. Here's another estimate from American Thinker: The Greatest Murder Machine in History:

Though the numbers are not clear, what is obvious is that Islam is the greatest murder machine in history bar none, possibly exceeding 250 million dead. Possibly one-third to one-half or more of all those killed by war or slavery in history can be traced to Islam; and this is just a cursory examination.

And the dead are only some of the victims, there are also the slaves and the genitally mutilated women and the forced harems and the dhimmis ....

The article covers a lot of history. But westerners just don't want to know these things, right? They prefer to believe Islam is no different from any other religion.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 82 of 146 (801937)
03-10-2017 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
03-10-2017 2:03 PM


The Way It Really Is
Faith writes:

it's all written down, it's been preached by imam after imam and yet westerners persist in believing they have no such motivations, they are just like us.

I have some internet friends from Sweden who are Islamic. We talk quite often. Omars father is an Imam. We message each other on facebook. This is a snippet from one of our brief conversations:

Phat writes:

: Do you know what propaganda is? I hear a lot of propaganda about Sweden...but because I know you, I dont believe any of it...
You are a confirmation to me that we all serve the same God
and the propaganda tells me that Sweden is being destablized by the Islamic population...yet I do not believe this


WED 2:15PM

Omar writes:

: Well, there might be some bad Muslims trying to ruin Sweden
But i don't think they have a chance

my point, Faith, is that I understand propaganda or potential propaganda...and it comes from the Left and the Right. And I know in my heart that when I talk with Omar he is showing me a clearer picture of how the Muslims in Sweden really are.

I have talked with many of his friends and family and have even seen pictures of them and their school. It is nothing like the Muslims portrayed in the videos you had about Sweden.

Here is Omar and his friends. Looks a lot like our kids.....

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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Message 83 of 146 (801939)
03-10-2017 2:41 PM
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03-10-2017 2:33 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Sigh.

The main thing: "Allah" is not the name of God if you are a Christian, and you are extremely deceived to believe that. The Bible gives us God's name and it is NOT "Allah." Phat, you are trusting people who either don't know their own history or are deceiving you even in their very nice way. Why do you ignore the actual history I've given, the acftual written intent of the leaders of Islam? Just out of sentimental blindness because of your friendship. Perhaps Omar and his family will be among those who end up rejecting Islam. I hope so for their sake, but otherwise they are just among the millions who know the Caliphate is coming and that you will become Muslim too one way or another.

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Message 84 of 146 (801940)
03-10-2017 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
03-10-2017 2:03 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
The amazing western blindness about what Islam is and does and has always done historically, and plans to do again when they get the chance, is staggering. They murdered 270,000,000* nonMuslims (Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus) over their 1400 year Caliphate that ended in 1924.

* That number I've heard in more than one place. Here's another estimate from American Thinker: The Greatest Murder Machine in History

You know what, two can play this game.

Guess what I 'heard'? I 'heard' that Islam is responsible for about two million total deaths while Christianity is responsible for about 15 million*.

*Source
https://www.quora.com/...of-infidels-over-its-entire-history

And it's on the internet. The same place you get your sources Faith. So this MUST be true! The horror of it all! Oh the humanity!

And just to add color to my post, how about a random video? Since I know you LOVE those!

Oh, and you're welcome.


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Message 85 of 146 (801942)
03-10-2017 2:50 PM
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03-10-2017 2:43 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Sure you can lie and add to the deception. You can become a Muslim if you want, save them the trouble of forcing it on you or beheading you.

The Roman Catholic Church murdered about 67 million in their 600-year history of the Inquisition, 50 million of them Bible-believing Christians, the rest Jews, Muslims and others. A poor showing compared to Islam's record which is over four times that number.

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Message 86 of 146 (801943)
03-10-2017 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
03-10-2017 2:41 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Faith writes:

Why do you ignore the actual history I've given, the acftual written intent of the leaders of Islam? Just out of sentimental blindness because of your friendship.

When it comes to the internet, or to any video or news show, all that I have to go on is my intuition. I realize that you are a believer. I read what you say both here and in your blogs. To be fair, I have never met you in person...nor have i met Omar or his friends or family in person. But we talk...justr as you and I talk.

Faith writes:

Perhaps Omar and his family will be among those who end up rejecting Islam. I hope so for their sake, but otherwise they are just among the millions who know the Caliphate is coming and that you will become Muslim too one way or another.

Is it possible that you are being deceived too? Can I suggest this without you calling me a leftist? After all, the enemy is crafty. He may be deceiving many of the Christians even as the Christians worry about the Muslims.

Here is Omar and his Father:

If I watch a video of a Trump rally, what am I to conclude about these people?

Watch this:
https://nyti.ms/2aA3TWn

As for Gods real name, do you honestly believe that if these people pray, God will ignore them simply because the name is not right?

God judges the intentions of the heart.

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~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Message 87 of 146 (801944)
03-10-2017 3:03 PM
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03-10-2017 2:52 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
If I c all you a leftist I mean you are espousing leftist views which a lot do who don't know it.

Phat, it's hard to believe anyone could read the evidence I've given and continue to be deceived but THAT is where the devil works strongest, using feelings against facts. I've read a LOT about Islam over the last couple of decades. I have two copies of the Koran, though I must admit I find it too odious to read carefully. Are you claiming every book and internet source I've read is lying? I have about ten books on the subject on my bookshelves. all by experts on Islam, which is not to mention the many many online sources including those by experts such as Bill Warner and others I've also heard and read, there is no doubt it is you who are deceived. Also, most preachers I'm aware of preach a lot against believing your own intuition, especially when there is so much hard evidence against you, but primarily the Bible itself. God's Name is NOT "Allah," the Muslim God is NOT the Christian God.; Remember they strenuously preach that "Allah has no Son." Do you believe Jesus Christ is God or not?.

If you belong to a liberal church of course, you may be getting lots of deception from the pulpit about Islam.

I'm not saying don't have friendship with Muslims. I think it's nice that you do. But don't expect to get the truth about Islam from such a friendship.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 88 of 146 (801945)
03-10-2017 3:07 PM
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03-10-2017 2:41 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
quote:

The main thing: "Allah" is not the name of God if you are a Christian, and you are extremely deceived to believe that. The Bible gives us God's name and it is NOT "Allah."

"God" is not the name of God. But you still call God "God". "Allah" is Arabic for "God" and if you were an Arabic-speaking Christian you would very likely say "Allah" in place of "God"

And not believing the propaganda you happen to like is a sign of good judgement.


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Message 89 of 146 (801946)
03-10-2017 3:09 PM
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Re: The Way It Really Is
Sorry, Allah is considered to be God's actual name. Stop reading the liars for a change.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Phat
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Message 90 of 146 (801947)
03-10-2017 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:03 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
I'm not saying don't have friendship with Muslims. I think it's nice that you do. But don't expect to get the truth about Islam from such a friendship.
Do you honestly think I will get the truth from Alex Jones?

Also did you watch the video I posted from the NY Times about unfiltered voices from a Trump Rally? What is your opinion of this bit of information? Are they deceiving us?

https://www.nytimes.com/...es-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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