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Phat
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Message 91 of 146 (801948)
03-10-2017 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:09 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
If I accidently called you Peggy instead of Faith, would you be insulted?

Would the Creator of all seen and unseen be insulted?

Would those folks at the Trump Rally make it to heaven simply because they used the name of Jesus?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Faith
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Message 92 of 146 (801949)
03-10-2017 3:15 PM
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03-10-2017 3:12 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
I said nothing about Alex Jones. Why are you lying about that? Alex Jones has lots of strange ideas about religion. Somebody else posted something by JOnes, I didn't watch it. I know most at EvC WANT to be deceived about islam, which I have to take as spiritual deception to the max, but it's sad to think a Christian has the same attitude.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 93 of 146 (801951)
03-10-2017 3:19 PM
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03-10-2017 3:09 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
That depends on who "considers it to be God's actual name"

And given your habit of falsely accusing people of lying any such assertions on your part are less than convincing.


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Message 94 of 146 (801952)
03-10-2017 3:20 PM
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03-10-2017 3:15 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
dup

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 95 of 146 (801953)
03-10-2017 3:21 PM
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03-10-2017 3:15 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Oh wow. God's Name is sacred in the context of the Bible, you don't fool around with it. That's why the Jews won't even write out the word "God," but always write it with a hyphen.

But address the most telling point: Islam teaches that "Allah has no Son" and if you are a Christian I don't see how you can pretend there's any similarity with Christianity because of that alone. There are plenty of other obvious dissimilarities if you had any interest in learning them instead of believing in a friendship instead of God's word.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Phat
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Message 96 of 146 (801954)
03-10-2017 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:15 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Keep in mind that I believe most of the same things you do about Jesus Christ, God, and Christianity. I have read lots of different opinions and beliefs. Granted I am more liberal than many in my church. I am, however, a critical thinker to a limited degree. I am wise enough, for example, to know that any judgement of our christianity from the folks here at EvC will not be based on the information,videos,tracts,sermons, or stated beliefs by us. They will form an opinion and a judgement of us based on what we say, how we act, and who we appear to them through the internet.

I know most at EvC WANT to be deceived about islam, which I have to take as spiritual deception to the max, but it's sad to think a Christian has the same attitude.
First of all, if everyone at EvC is so hopelessly deluded why do you even waste your time talking with them?

Second, what makes you think I am deluded? Does God ever show you anything? Do you think it is possible that He occasionally gives me wisdom also?

You are passionate about your beliefs---both on your blogs and here at EvC.

Do you believe in your heart that you are doing any good? Do you believe that you are doing as Jesus wants you to do?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Faith
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Message 97 of 146 (801955)
03-10-2017 3:29 PM
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03-10-2017 3:26 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Yes.

The reason you are deluded is in what you actually said to your Muslim friends: that they have the same God you have. They don't.


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Phat
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Message 98 of 146 (801957)
03-10-2017 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:21 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Faith writes:

But address the most telling point: Islam teaches that "Allah has no Son" and if you are a Christian I don't see how you can pretend there's any similarity with Christianity because of that alone. There are plenty of other obvious dissimilarities if you had any interest in learning them instead of believing in a friendship instead of God's word.

As a matter of fact, I have an Islamic friend here in town...Tamer. He and I go play pool occasionally. I have brought up many of the points concerning his religion and my own. We are able to discuss them on friendly terms. He receives me as a friend. I occasionally share a bit of Gods word with him.

Allow me to share some with you, if i may.

Matthew 10:40ESV writes:

“Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me

Making friends is the first part. Strangers on the internet will not receive you. Jesus is telling His Disciples that if they are received by the host families, Jesus also will be received and also His Father.

If you continually argue with people and hurl insults at them for rejecting your truth, they will neither receive you or the one who sent you.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Diomedes
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Message 99 of 146 (801958)
03-10-2017 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
03-10-2017 2:50 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Sure you can lie and add to the deception.

But, but, I didn't lie. I provided a sound reference from the Internet which as has already been established by you as being 100% accurate at all times. Hence your continued predilection to referencing every URL you come across that fits your preconceived narrative.

You can become a Muslim if you want, save them the trouble of forcing it on you or beheading you.

Indeed. Good thing Christians never use violence or influence to force their beliefs on others. Oh wait....
http://www.alternet.org/...ile-imposing-its-ideology-america

The Roman Catholic Church murdered about 67 million in their 600-year history of the Inquisition, 50 million of them Bible-believing Christians, the rest Jews, Muslims and others. A poor showing compared to Islam's record which is over four times that number.

And as much as you dislike the comparison, Catholics ARE Christians.

Hey, how about another video??

And again, you're welcome.


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Message 100 of 146 (801959)
03-10-2017 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Diomedes
03-10-2017 3:34 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
I'm sorry, I can't even get through one of your posts. They make no sense to me.
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Phat
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Message 101 of 146 (801960)
03-10-2017 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:29 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
The reason you are deluded is in what you actually said to your Muslim friends: that they have the same God you have. They don't.

Two points.

1) How would YOU do it? Would they receive you?

2) Is our God so authoritarian so as to simply allow these people to go to hell? Would not them receiving us first as friends open a door, perhaps...for Jesus to reach them?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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PaulK
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Message 102 of 146 (801961)
03-10-2017 3:36 PM
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03-10-2017 3:21 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
quote:

Oh wow. God's Name is sacred in the context of the Bible, you don't fool around with it.

Only one name is sacred. And nobody is certain how it is pronounced.

And "Allah" is still the Arabic equivalent of "God" which you have no trouble saying.


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Faith
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Message 103 of 146 (801962)
03-10-2017 3:37 PM
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03-10-2017 3:34 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
I give up. Believe whatever nonsense you want.
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Phat
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Message 104 of 146 (801963)
03-10-2017 3:40 PM
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03-10-2017 3:37 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
I give up. Believe whatever nonsense you want.
And yet you never give up. You actually drive more people away from Jesus than those you bring closer to Him.

Im not your judge, however.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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frako
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Message 105 of 146 (801964)
03-10-2017 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:29 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
but you do have the same god, there are just some minor discrepenices in your texts, sure jesus is not the son of god, but he is the spirit and word of god. Genesis is basically the same, the kain and able storry is the same eccept in the muslim texts god says his bloods cry out to me instead of the biblical his blood. Implying he killed more then just abel but every descendant able would have.....

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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