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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The videos are fine, and they are good evidence.
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
ALL OF IT adds up to the same information, that was the point.
Un-presented "evidence" is not evidence at all, that was the point. Maybe it does add up to the same thing. That's no indication of truth or falsehood. A huge pile of BS and a small pile of BS are both piles BS. Not saying I won't give anything you post a fair shake.
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The videos are fine, and they are good evidence.
They are good evidence of the unsupported opinions of the filmmakers. They are not evidence of the situation in Sweden.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I'm just going to put this here again, Faith:
Ones at the bottom are less to un- reliable, at the top more reliable. Left side is left leaning, right side is right leaning. so looney-bin left is lower left while looney-bin right is lower right ... Oh look -- all the places you think are "reliable" are in the lower right ... with Inforwars and Breitbart being the farthest into the looney-bin right, so far over there that not one source is further to the right. And you are busy making up your own conspiracies about fantasies of yours that aren't reported because of the conspiracy of the rest of the world to hide it from people ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Obviously they are not good evidence. There is even good reason to suspect active dishonesty in at least some.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, RAZD, I can't read that glaring white chart. Sorry.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
There is enough information in the videos to make a STRONG SUGGESTION that immigration is causing huge problems, to put it as conservatively as I can. Strong suggestions are how propaganda works. I'd prefer something better, personally.
The people making the videos are very credible. As I detailed in last post, no.Blot-Sven Odenskarl is an unknown and his video contains no information, just propaganda. Feminist Infrequency posted deceptive information and is one of those misogynist gamer-gate bros who rails against the evils of feminists. Not particularly credible. Angry Foreigner is a Bosnian immigrant. That is, he and his parents were once those Muslim immigrants he rails against. Paul Joseph Watson fell for Fake News and published it on Infowars. He rails against the fact that women don't find his toxic nature attractive and turns to manipulation and weightlifting to try and fix this. He has other videos such as 'Why Are Feminists Fat & Ugly?', 'Sexodus: Why Are Young Men Giving Up On Women?'. Paul Joseph Watson by the way gets millions of views of his video reports, not what you'd expect from a conspiracy thinker. 3-500K typically. And yes, right wing nutters can actually become popular enough to get a few hundred thousand hits. There are some pretty crazy conspiracy videos with comparable views.
I for one would be greatly relieved to think immigration was NOT a big problem and if I feel that way I think other pro-Trumpers must also. It isn't a big problem. It's an important issue. A reasonable light won't be shed by fake news, however.
There is no need to feed our fears with propaganda. Well anti-immigration supporters feel the need, clearly.
And it's so CLEARLY NOT what is being done you all just prove again, as you always do, that it's the Leftist "narrative" that has you captivated, truth be hanged. It's not clear, at all. How about you attempt to transcend the right-wing narrative and try to understand the issue outside of youtube based propaganda?
Not one word in favor from any of you. If you were to have a reasonable discussion about immigration issues, you might find agreement. Posting videos that look at some issues in exclusion from other issues painting a slanted picture of reality is obviously going to get pushback.
I do have to wonder: Is all this Leftist claptrap "the great delusion" the Bible promises us in the last days? quote: If so, then blame God - he sent it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
God does send terrible things on those who persistently violate His Law. It's a theme throughout the Old Testament, from which we are admonished to learn so as to avoid such consequences.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
that cfan be answered by statistics on the other side
but seemingly you can not produce any?All you have are YouTube videos. I bow to your wisdom and expertise. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
There have been been cases where wealthy families have had to give up their homes for refugees
Anecdotes and assertions are not evidence. Show us a news report or official reference to this happening. A name of the people that this actually happened to, I know a guy that has a cousin that knows a guy is not evidence. A YouTube rant is worthless and probably a lie.If it wasn't a lie they would have referred to the actual people it happened to. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
There is no good reason to dismiss video evidence as inferior.
WOW!!!! IT BURNS!!!! Sure there is. Have you ever notice how government reports, news articles and other real evidence refers to the source of their information? I didn't think so.None of these videos refer to an actual source of the information. They traffic in assertion, innuendo and hate. There is a reason they never provide a source. Because there is none. Maybe you should ask for the source of their assertions. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
or the original Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur What is freely asserted is freely deserted. Hitchens's razor - WikipediaFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh but many of them do refer to sources. Videos can do that too.
Don't you ever get tired of accusing the wrong people of hate? It's so clearly the attitude of for instance Black Lives Matters, as well as the deniers of immigration problems, and of course of the Muslim immigrants who trash things, rape women and murder people.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: and of course of the Muslim immigrants who trash things, rape women and murder people. Fortunately there is absolutely no need to deny imaginary fake news like "the Muslim immigrants who trash things, rape women and murder people" since it never happened.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Then give us the original source information. If there is a source for the assertion rich people are losing their homes give it.
Put up or shut up. I wont watch videos of hate. Provide the sources. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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