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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: It's not that hard to figure out who deserves it, Phat, it would be anyone who has been living and working without committing any criminal offenses, or without being describable by the paragraph in Message 474. For starters anyway. Maybe other criteria should also be considered. But we DO know quite a lot about the actions under Trumps Administration. We know for a fact that people not being deported under the Obama Administration are being deported under the Trump Administration.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny then there hasn't been any report of an official plan under the Trump administration. Trump has been doing lots of executive orders since he got into office, but none about dealing with people who are here illegally that I'm aware of.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Funny then there hasn't been any report of an official plan under the Trump administration. Trump has been doing lots of executive orders since he got into office, but none about dealing with people who are here illegally that I'm aware of. Yes, another example of how utterly dishonest he is. He does make public speeches though and does assign the people to oversee the departments and does set agendas for those people. And under the Trump pogroms folks living here in the US for decades, raising families, complying with the directives from immigration, paying taxes and NOT committing crimes are being rounded up, handcuffed and arrested and deported.
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: I see I can't answer the rest of your post because I didn't hear the speech. Comments I've heard today -- not a lot of that even -- are quite positive about it, and the NYT account is even pretty positive for them. I think you've mistaken the purpose of my post. It was to neither complement nor criticize Trump, but to take the lead article from a mainstream media outlet and review it for bias and fake news. I found two instances of mild bias and no instances of fake or false news. But I agree that there was a great deal about the speech to be positive about. Trump delivered a traditional, presidential and largely successful and positive SOTU address.
I will mention one of the biggest gripes I have about media coverage these days, the word "undocumented" for illegal aliens, and leaving off the term "illegal" from "immigrants." That's deep-dyed fake news IMO. The term "undocumented" is used when it is more accurate. For someone discovered without documentation, "undocumented" is a fact while "illegal" is a possibly incorrect conclusion. It's like the term "alleged perpetrator" that police use because they're talking prior to establishment of any guilt or innocence.
Speaking of illegal immigration, I have nothing against developing a pathway to legality for those who deserve it. Maybe Trump didn't bring it up in the speech because he hasn't had time to think it through. The idea appeared to spring off the top of his head during a meeting with news anchors, so it's very likely true that he hasn't had time to think it through, nor vet it with his staff or the relevant agencies, which he should have done before even mentioning it. Poor impulse control. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're said absolutely nothing to show that the deportations come from Trump's administration and not from Obama's.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: You're said absolutely nothing to show that the deportations come from Trump's administration and not from Obama's. You cannot really be that silly Faith. The actions of an employee under the Trump Administration are the responsibility of the Trump Administration. It really is that simple. Sure, there are many things that could be shown to be due to the prior administration, the fantastic economy, the fact that we have not started any new wars, the great improvements that happened in US are due to the Obama Administration but after Trump took office any acts of an employee of the Executive Branch are Trumps direct responsibility.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just more evasion, jar. If he's issued no orders then they are not acting on his orders. Period.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Just more evasion, jar. If he's issued no orders then they are not acting on his orders. Period. And it does not matter who's orders you think were involved. Obama is not President. His orders have no authority. Trump is President. Any acts of his employees is HIS responsibility.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We must have a rogue ICE then, acting on nobody's orders.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: We must have a rogue ICE then, acting on nobody's orders. If so then the responsibility is still on Trump.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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As I understand it, some deportations are continuing from Obama's administration that have nothing to do with Trump's plan.
We are discussing deportations ordered by the Trump administration.
. We haven't even heard anything about Trump's plan yet have we?
We've heard a lot. You are way behind. He's issued an executive order New Trump Deportation Rules Allow ar More Expulsions. The DHS has issued memos to its agents instructing them how to implement that order. Enforcement of the Immigration Laws to Serve the NationalInterest (which I already linked to and quoted) and Implementing the President's Border Security and Immigration Enforcement Improvements Policies I already quoted the former: quote: {emphasis added} Now, I bet that almost all the agents are good people, but there's going to be a few bad apples in any such organization, and this gives them the power to deport somebody on suspicion. The fact is that some noticeable number of people who should not be deported under Trumps' executive order are being deported, and ICE is apprehending immigrants in places that they say they will not (churches, courthouses, ...). I don't know what percentage of deportations these are, but it's troubling. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Funny then there hasn't been any report of an official plan under the Trump administration.
there hs been.
Trump has been doing lots of executive orders since he got into office, but none about dealing with people who are here illegally that I'm aware of.
Maybe you shouldn't discuss subjects of which you are so painfully ignorant. See my immediately preceding post.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Just more evasion, jar. If he's issued no orders then they are not acting on his orders. Period.
And if he HAS issued orders, as he HAS, they are acting on his orders. Period. 30.That's all, folks. end of story. Nothing to see here, move on.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Ice is acting on Trump's orders.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Great. Thank you for the information.
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